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I hear this claim repeated a lot, but has anybody got a good source for it? All I can see are extreme news sources (Breitbart) and NBC reporting on https://chi

I hear this claim repeated a lot, but has anybody got a good source for it? All I can see are extreme news sources (Breitbart) and NBC reporting on https://chinatribunal.com https://chinatribunal.com, and while I know nothing about the chinatribunal, its name somewhat implies a clear stance at the outset. Particularly in relation to the Uyghur muslims, I can't find any evidence that they're having their organs harvested

throwaway554324 7y ago
> The China Tribunal has been initiated by the International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China (ETAC), an international not for profit organisation, with headquarters in Australia and National Committees in the UK, USA, Canada, New Zealand and Australia. I find the fact that the media doesn’t report this, but they do report the re-education camps, suggests the sources aren’t very solid.
- BubRoss 7y ago
  It seems that you created a new name just to doubt organ harvesting by China. You say the media doesn't report it, but a single search for china organ harvesting turns up this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-cov... https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivors-victims.amp https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivo... https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-organ-harvesting/amp/ https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-or... https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-from-falun-gong-practitioners/amp/ https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-fr... https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-organ-harvesting-in-china-11549411056 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-orga... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/u-n-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harves...
PavlovsCat 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_transplantation_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_transplantation_in_China > Particularly in relation to the Uyghur muslims, I can't find any evidence that they're having their organs harvested Yes, these things seem to get mixed together, which I agree is bad, but not as bad as both as these things are even in isolation. When someone either tortures or kills people, but never both at the same time, lumping that together as "torturing and killing people" is not really accurate, but why nitpick while they're still doing it and others excuse it.
tharne 7y ago
Here you go, from the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harvesting-organs-from-detainees-uk-tribunal-concludes https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harve... It's about the Fulan Gong movement, FWIW.
- h0h0h0h0111 7y ago
  This is reporting the same china tribunal mentioned in my OP. Interestingly, the interviewee mentioned by the Guardian here 'did not see any direct evidence of forced organ removal'; if the tribunal heard evidence from people with direct experience of organ removal, I'm surprised they were not quoted. It seems like I may have to dig deeper into the tribunal's actual report to gain more insight.

throwaway554324 7y ago

> The China Tribunal has been initiated by the International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China (ETAC), an international not for profit organisation, with headquarters in Australia and National Committees in the UK, USA, Canada, New Zealand and Australia. I find the fact that the media doesn’t report this, but they do report the re-education camps, suggests the sources aren’t very solid.

BubRoss 7y ago
It seems that you created a new name just to doubt organ harvesting by China. You say the media doesn't report it, but a single search for china organ harvesting turns up this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-cov... https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivors-victims.amp https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivo... https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-organ-harvesting/amp/ https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-or... https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-from-falun-gong-practitioners/amp/ https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-fr... https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-organ-harvesting-in-china-11549411056 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-orga... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/u-n-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harves...

PavlovsCat 7y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_transplantation_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_transplantation_in_China > Particularly in relation to the Uyghur muslims, I can't find any evidence that they're having their organs harvested Yes, these things seem to get mixed together, which I agree is bad, but not as bad as both as these things are even in isolation. When someone either tortures or kills people, but never both at the same time, lumping that together as "torturing and killing people" is not really accurate, but why nitpick while they're still doing it and others excuse it.

tharne 7y ago

Here you go, from the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harvesting-organs-from-detainees-uk-tribunal-concludes https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harve... It's about the Fulan Gong movement, FWIW.

h0h0h0h0111 7y ago
This is reporting the same china tribunal mentioned in my OP. Interestingly, the interviewee mentioned by the Guardian here 'did not see any direct evidence of forced organ removal'; if the tribunal heard evidence from people with direct experience of organ removal, I'm surprised they were not quoted. It seems like I may have to dig deeper into the tribunal's actual report to gain more insight.