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I don't think having people in concentration camps getting their organs harvested is so similar that comparing numbers makes sense.

tharne 7y ago
I'm amazed at just how little press coverage that is getting. Some public figure says something that's not sufficiently woke and it's on the front page of every news site in the country. China gets caught putting religious and ethnic minorities into camps and harvests their organs and most Americans haven't heard about it.
- throwaway554324 7y ago
  This is what leads me to believe the information is shaky at best. The press has no issues reporting “bad and scary” news about China since it sells, and they report on the re-education camps all the time. However, if they are shying away from the “organ harvesting” story, then it’s probably suspect.
  - tharne 7y ago
    It's getting reported on by major outlets, just not very loudly or prominently. There have been articles in the Guardian, The Daily Mail, Reuters, Forbes and others. The press frequently gives China a pass on things that any Western country would be pilloried for.
  - BubRoss 7y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-cov... https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivors-victims.amp https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivo... https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-organ-harvesting/amp/ https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-or... https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-from-falun-gong-practitioners/amp/ https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-fr... https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-organ-harvesting-in-china-11549411056 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-orga... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/u-n-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harves...
h0h0h0h0111 7y ago
I hear this claim repeated a lot, but has anybody got a good source for it? All I can see are extreme news sources (Breitbart) and NBC reporting on https://chinatribunal.com https://chinatribunal.com, and while I know nothing about the chinatribunal, its name somewhat implies a clear stance at the outset. Particularly in relation to the Uyghur muslims, I can't find any evidence that they're having their organs harvested
- throwaway554324 7y ago
  > The China Tribunal has been initiated by the International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China (ETAC), an international not for profit organisation, with headquarters in Australia and National Committees in the UK, USA, Canada, New Zealand and Australia. I find the fact that the media doesn’t report this, but they do report the re-education camps, suggests the sources aren’t very solid.
  - BubRoss 7y ago
    It seems that you created a new name just to doubt organ harvesting by China. You say the media doesn't report it, but a single search for china organ harvesting turns up this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-cov... https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivors-victims.amp https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivo... https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-organ-harvesting/amp/ https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-or... https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-from-falun-gong-practitioners/amp/ https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-fr... https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-organ-harvesting-in-china-11549411056 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-orga... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/u-n-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harves...
pooya13 7y ago
Yeah agreed. It is terrible that US has the largest prison population and it is also terrible that China has harvested organs and puts Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps. They are terrible in different dimensions and it would serve no clear purpose to me to try and figure out which is the “more terrible” one to focus the criticism on to the cost of ignoring the other.

tharne 7y ago

I'm amazed at just how little press coverage that is getting. Some public figure says something that's not sufficiently woke and it's on the front page of every news site in the country. China gets caught putting religious and ethnic minorities into camps and harvests their organs and most Americans haven't heard about it.

throwaway554324 7y ago
This is what leads me to believe the information is shaky at best. The press has no issues reporting “bad and scary” news about China since it sells, and they report on the re-education camps all the time. However, if they are shying away from the “organ harvesting” story, then it’s probably suspect.
- tharne 7y ago
  It's getting reported on by major outlets, just not very loudly or prominently. There have been articles in the Guardian, The Daily Mail, Reuters, Forbes and others. The press frequently gives China a pass on things that any Western country would be pilloried for.
- BubRoss 7y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-cov... https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivors-victims.amp https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivo... https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-organ-harvesting/amp/ https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-or... https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-from-falun-gong-practitioners/amp/ https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-fr... https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-organ-harvesting-in-china-11549411056 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-orga... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/u-n-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harves...

h0h0h0h0111 7y ago

I hear this claim repeated a lot, but has anybody got a good source for it? All I can see are extreme news sources (Breitbart) and NBC reporting on https://chinatribunal.com https://chinatribunal.com, and while I know nothing about the chinatribunal, its name somewhat implies a clear stance at the outset. Particularly in relation to the Uyghur muslims, I can't find any evidence that they're having their organs harvested

throwaway554324 7y ago
> The China Tribunal has been initiated by the International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China (ETAC), an international not for profit organisation, with headquarters in Australia and National Committees in the UK, USA, Canada, New Zealand and Australia. I find the fact that the media doesn’t report this, but they do report the re-education camps, suggests the sources aren’t very solid.
- BubRoss 7y ago
  It seems that you created a new name just to doubt organ harvesting by China. You say the media doesn't report it, but a single search for china organ harvesting turns up this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-cov... https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivors-victims.amp https://www.foxnews.com/world/organ-harvesting-china-survivo... https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-organ-harvesting/amp/ https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-or... https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-from-falun-gong-practitioners/amp/ https://qz.com/1717338/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-fr... https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/ https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-organ-harvesting-in-china-11549411056 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-nightmare-of-human-orga... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/u-n-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harves...

pooya13 7y ago

Yeah agreed. It is terrible that US has the largest prison population and it is also terrible that China has harvested organs and puts Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps. They are terrible in different dimensions and it would serve no clear purpose to me to try and figure out which is the “more terrible” one to focus the criticism on to the cost of ignoring the other.