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I really don't think this is 'American culture penetrating Turkish veins'. I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of American culture invading Europe and Asia all acro

I really don't think this is 'American culture penetrating Turkish veins'. I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of American culture invading Europe and Asia all across the continent, but this isn't it. It's just a mass-market t-shirt that made its way to a young Turkish girl. These are sold en masse everywhere, including in used clothing stores.

m00dy 7y ago
How about the boy wearing Breaking Bad Tshirt in the other footage ? Is that also coincidence ?
- saiya-jin 7y ago
  You can see older photos from places like Pakistan or Beirut during war with folks wearing t-shirts with various English signs. Heck, I've met folks in remote India with same that couldn't say more than 'hi', or not even that. If they are made in China in millions for 0.2$ a piece and sold everywhere, it doesn't say anything about any US culture penetration
  - danielscrubs 7y ago
    If Chinese characters in USA are not a sign of Chinese culture penetration, then we are on the same page.
wholepointofcc 7y ago
> just a mass-market t-shirt The very idea of a "market" which is a "mass-market" and a "t-shirt" as a clothing item, which then become together a "mass-market t-shirt" (meaning globalised production chains, exploitative corporate governance, fast fashion, conspicuous consumption, etc) is already in itself an example of permeating "American culture".
- WilTimSon 7y ago
  American culture isn't 'mass-market' though, mass-market clothes exist everywhere and so does exploitative governance, consumption, etc. The fact that some of that clothing makes it over to remote regions doesn't mean they're suddenly going to be permeated with 'American culture', they aren't cavemen discovering fire. It's just an item of clothing, albeit one that somehow found its way into their particular place of residence. Turkish bazaars are chock-full of these, maybe her dad went to one in a big city and brought this to her to wear. Does that mean she's somehow aware of capitalism, mass production, or American culture?
  - wholepointofcc 7y ago
    > Does that mean she's somehow aware of capitalism, mass production, or American culture? Yes. You seem to disconnect in your thought the very fact that these production models are American culture. The indigenous operation of markets before imperialism would basically use different production models and produce different goods. The very thing you're describing is a consequence of American cultural hegemony. Edit: Of course culture never occurs in a vacuum and transculturation goes both ways. Also I'm not denying advantages or affirming disadvantages of the current state of transculturation between cultures. I'm simply pointing out that we (US-influenced western etc etc) are so deeply into it that we don't even perceive it as "ours" and simply perceive it as "the way things are"

m00dy 7y ago

How about the boy wearing Breaking Bad Tshirt in the other footage ? Is that also coincidence ?

saiya-jin 7y ago
You can see older photos from places like Pakistan or Beirut during war with folks wearing t-shirts with various English signs. Heck, I've met folks in remote India with same that couldn't say more than 'hi', or not even that. If they are made in China in millions for 0.2$ a piece and sold everywhere, it doesn't say anything about any US culture penetration
- danielscrubs 7y ago
  If Chinese characters in USA are not a sign of Chinese culture penetration, then we are on the same page.

wholepointofcc 7y ago

> just a mass-market t-shirt The very idea of a "market" which is a "mass-market" and a "t-shirt" as a clothing item, which then become together a "mass-market t-shirt" (meaning globalised production chains, exploitative corporate governance, fast fashion, conspicuous consumption, etc) is already in itself an example of permeating "American culture".

WilTimSon 7y ago
American culture isn't 'mass-market' though, mass-market clothes exist everywhere and so does exploitative governance, consumption, etc. The fact that some of that clothing makes it over to remote regions doesn't mean they're suddenly going to be permeated with 'American culture', they aren't cavemen discovering fire. It's just an item of clothing, albeit one that somehow found its way into their particular place of residence. Turkish bazaars are chock-full of these, maybe her dad went to one in a big city and brought this to her to wear. Does that mean she's somehow aware of capitalism, mass production, or American culture?
- wholepointofcc 7y ago
  > Does that mean she's somehow aware of capitalism, mass production, or American culture? Yes. You seem to disconnect in your thought the very fact that these production models are American culture. The indigenous operation of markets before imperialism would basically use different production models and produce different goods. The very thing you're describing is a consequence of American cultural hegemony. Edit: Of course culture never occurs in a vacuum and transculturation goes both ways. Also I'm not denying advantages or affirming disadvantages of the current state of transculturation between cultures. I'm simply pointing out that we (US-influenced western etc etc) are so deeply into it that we don't even perceive it as "ours" and simply perceive it as "the way things are"