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Sounds interesting but now there are encrypted decentralized e-mail systems like bitmessage. So if you are doing anything supersecret then bitmessage is the per

Sounds interesting but now there are encrypted decentralized e-mail systems like bitmessage. So if you are doing anything supersecret then bitmessage is the perfect solution.

DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
if this is their official claim then it is most certainly snake-oil: > Bitmessage gained a reputation for being out of reach of warrantless wiretapping conducted by the National Security Agency (NSA), due to the decentralized nature of the protocol, and its encryption being difficult to crack. As a result, downloads of the Bitmessage program increased fivefold during June 2013, after news broke of classified email surveillance activities conducted by the NSA. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitmessage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitmessage
maxerickson 7y ago
Connecting to mail.google.com is frequently going to be much less conspicuous than participating in a peer to peer network.
- chrischen 7y ago
  That’s why you hide even when you have nothing to hide, so that hiding doesn’t itself become a signal.
  - acollins1331 7y ago
    That argument works assuming you're the only one being watched. "Oh chris hasn't done anything bad even though he's hiding, we can just ignore him now". It's more like "99.8% of people don't hide, chrischen is one that does, monitor that guy".
    - celticninja 7y ago
      All the better, when they do monitor him and spend time cracking his shopping list is less time and resources against the everyone else
    - chrischen 7y ago
      That argument is why Apple tries to encrypt by default... and is actively employed by privacy advocates. Your iMessage history is hardly banking website info, yet it employs the same “Military Grade Encryption.”
  - maxerickson 7y ago
    My argument is that connecting to a Google server is a better way of hiding than connecting to some obscure peer to peer messaging system.
    - chrischen 7y ago
      Obscure like iMessage?
      - maxerickson 7y ago
        No, like the one mentioned in the comment I replied to initially. What's the point of ignoring the context of the thread and then pretending my meaning was stupid? Using iMessage would be more similar to using Gmail than to using bitmessage. Obviously so.
        chrischen 7y ago
        iMessage is end-to-end encrypted, and I don't think I mentioned bitmessage (not sure what that is). It is privacy all the time, even if you have nothing to hide. Privacy by default—which is what I was talking about in the comment you replied to.
        maxerickson 7y ago
        My initial comment in the thread was a comparison between bitmessage and Gmail...the comment you replied to.

Sounds interesting but now there are encrypted decentralized e-mail systems like bitmessage. So if you are doing anything supersecret then bitmessage is the perfect solution.

DyslexicAtheist 7y ago

if this is their official claim then it is most certainly snake-oil: > Bitmessage gained a reputation for being out of reach of warrantless wiretapping conducted by the National Security Agency (NSA), due to the decentralized nature of the protocol, and its encryption being difficult to crack. As a result, downloads of the Bitmessage program increased fivefold during June 2013, after news broke of classified email surveillance activities conducted by the NSA. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitmessage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitmessage

maxerickson 7y ago

Connecting to mail.google.com is frequently going to be much less conspicuous than participating in a peer to peer network.

chrischen 7y ago
That’s why you hide even when you have nothing to hide, so that hiding doesn’t itself become a signal.
- acollins1331 7y ago
  That argument works assuming you're the only one being watched. "Oh chris hasn't done anything bad even though he's hiding, we can just ignore him now". It's more like "99.8% of people don't hide, chrischen is one that does, monitor that guy".
  - celticninja 7y ago
    All the better, when they do monitor him and spend time cracking his shopping list is less time and resources against the everyone else
  - chrischen 7y ago
    That argument is why Apple tries to encrypt by default... and is actively employed by privacy advocates. Your iMessage history is hardly banking website info, yet it employs the same “Military Grade Encryption.”
- maxerickson 7y ago
  My argument is that connecting to a Google server is a better way of hiding than connecting to some obscure peer to peer messaging system.
  - chrischen 7y ago
    Obscure like iMessage?
    - maxerickson 7y ago
      No, like the one mentioned in the comment I replied to initially. What's the point of ignoring the context of the thread and then pretending my meaning was stupid? Using iMessage would be more similar to using Gmail than to using bitmessage. Obviously so.
      - chrischen 7y ago
        iMessage is end-to-end encrypted, and I don't think I mentioned bitmessage (not sure what that is). It is privacy all the time, even if you have nothing to hide. Privacy by default—which is what I was talking about in the comment you replied to.
        maxerickson 7y ago
        My initial comment in the thread was a comparison between bitmessage and Gmail...the comment you replied to.