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I really don’t need an extended-C with productivity features... as that’s one of the defining points of C(the language is small). Fixing the warts (like differe

I really don’t need an extended-C with productivity features... as that’s one of the defining points of C(the language is small). Fixing the warts (like different behavior between the overflow of unsigned ints & signed inta) would have been fine. I personally want a better stdlib for C; fix the defiancies of <string.h>, removing the global locales (changing function behaviors according to LC_* was a really, really bad idea[0]), etc... Does anyone know of an alternative stdlib for C? [0] https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/1e70e82baa9193f6f027338b0fab0f5078971fbe https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/1e70e82baa9193f6f02...

thechao 7y ago
Right? I keep thinking that the first place to start on a better C is to ask what needs be removed — not added. Once the “bad parts” are removed, what ergonomic features need be added back in? For starters: implicit coercion is out; weak type aliasing is out; automatic binary serialization of aggregate types is out; etc.
jononor 7y ago
If you are targeting nix/BSD/MacOS/Windows then https://developer.gnome.org/glib/ https://developer.gnome.org/glib/ is pretty good standard library for C. Not supported on bare-metal though.
kannmig 7y ago
https://www.musl-libc.org/ https://www.musl-libc.org/
- saagarjha 7y ago
  That doesn't fix the issues mentioned. (Whether it's an "alternative" stdlib for C is debatable; nobody ever said that glibc is "the" stdlib for C…)
  - ftvy 7y ago
    It is the de facto standard on Linux.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      That doesn't make it the official implementation of ISO C, just one among many.
    - Porthos9K 7y ago
      Which Linux? There are plenty that use MUSL instead.
- hybrids 7y ago
  musl is just another implementation of the true stdlib. I think what they want is an alternative to standard-conforming stdlibs that fills a similar niche - in other words, a "non-standard" standard library.

thechao 7y ago

Right? I keep thinking that the first place to start on a better C is to ask what needs be removed — not added. Once the “bad parts” are removed, what ergonomic features need be added back in? For starters: implicit coercion is out; weak type aliasing is out; automatic binary serialization of aggregate types is out; etc.

jononor 7y ago

If you are targeting nix/BSD/MacOS/Windows then https://developer.gnome.org/glib/ https://developer.gnome.org/glib/ is pretty good standard library for C. Not supported on bare-metal though.

kannmig 7y ago

https://www.musl-libc.org/ https://www.musl-libc.org/

saagarjha 7y ago
That doesn't fix the issues mentioned. (Whether it's an "alternative" stdlib for C is debatable; nobody ever said that glibc is "the" stdlib for C…)
- ftvy 7y ago
  It is the de facto standard on Linux.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    That doesn't make it the official implementation of ISO C, just one among many.
  - Porthos9K 7y ago
    Which Linux? There are plenty that use MUSL instead.
hybrids 7y ago
musl is just another implementation of the true stdlib. I think what they want is an alternative to standard-conforming stdlibs that fills a similar niche - in other words, a "non-standard" standard library.