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Always interesting that on Hacker News, people are always so ready to throw in the towel and call something impossible and list the 83 reasons why. Unless it i

Always interesting that on Hacker News, people are always so ready to throw in the towel and call something impossible and list the 83 reasons why. Unless it is about starting a business and making money via ads.... Then they're willing to devote thousand of hours of their life thinking creatively about how to solve problems to "change the world".

Nasrudith 7y ago
That sounds like "magic key" cryptodenialist logic. Just because you really want something doesn't make it possible or viable. They do support initiatives to help but realize it is essentially generational at this point.
thu2111 7y ago
Lots of people have started businesses and made money via ads, in ways that increased wealth for everyone. Of course people think about how to do that. In contrast nobody has changed the gender ratio in tech without discriminating against men: a zero sum game that definitely does not increase wealth for everyone. As for your dismissal of people's 83 reasons, why not show us how it's done and address them?
- frenchyatwork 7y ago
  > in ways that increased wealth for everyone It certainly doesn't increase the wealth of people who are persuaded to buy stuff that really isn't worthwhile for them.
  - filoleg 7y ago
    If buying things didn't provide value to people, they wouldn't have bought it. Just because I cannot extract monetary value by buying another MIDI controller for my hobby doesn't mean it isn't a worthwhile purchase. If you derived enjoyment from a purchase, it increased your [non-material] wealth and added value. The same way, Gmail and FB make money by selling ads, but if they didn't exist without ads, it is easily arguable that people would have missed out on a lot of wealth and benefits that comes with those things. I use Gmail, because I extract value from using it. And I pay for it by letting Google personalize my ads and sell them. For me, that exchange is absolutely worth it. If it wasn't, I wouldn't have been using it.

Nasrudith 7y ago

That sounds like "magic key" cryptodenialist logic. Just because you really want something doesn't make it possible or viable. They do support initiatives to help but realize it is essentially generational at this point.

thu2111 7y ago

Lots of people have started businesses and made money via ads, in ways that increased wealth for everyone. Of course people think about how to do that. In contrast nobody has changed the gender ratio in tech without discriminating against men: a zero sum game that definitely does not increase wealth for everyone. As for your dismissal of people's 83 reasons, why not show us how it's done and address them?

frenchyatwork 7y ago
> in ways that increased wealth for everyone It certainly doesn't increase the wealth of people who are persuaded to buy stuff that really isn't worthwhile for them.
- filoleg 7y ago
  If buying things didn't provide value to people, they wouldn't have bought it. Just because I cannot extract monetary value by buying another MIDI controller for my hobby doesn't mean it isn't a worthwhile purchase. If you derived enjoyment from a purchase, it increased your [non-material] wealth and added value. The same way, Gmail and FB make money by selling ads, but if they didn't exist without ads, it is easily arguable that people would have missed out on a lot of wealth and benefits that comes with those things. I use Gmail, because I extract value from using it. And I pay for it by letting Google personalize my ads and sell them. For me, that exchange is absolutely worth it. If it wasn't, I wouldn't have been using it.