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Why is this being downvoted? Now it's flagged. This is ridiculous.

by greesil 7y ago

Sohcahtoa82 7y ago
Because it's an extremely dishonest take on a highly political issue.
- greesil 7y ago
  Isn't the more appropriate response to respond to the comment rather than downvote it? It doesn't seem to be a personal attack, or some other violation of the community guidelines.
  - goosehonk 7y ago
    I know my account is the one in green, but: you must be new here.
  - Sohcahtoa82 7y ago
    I'm not a moderator, but IMO, it was absolutely a violation of community guidelines. It was incredibly snarky, flamebaity, and was obviously written to start a political battle. The fact that it got flagged shows I'm definitely not alone in this thinking.
    - goosehonk 7y ago
      I'm just giving you the straight dope on a few aspects of the organizational disaster that is google. The fact that you think it's incredible etc just shows what a basket case this company is.
      - jhanschoo 7y ago
        If you want to give "straight dope" on a controversial issue, you don't do it by caricature without evidence. Instead you present incontrovertible evidence that proves your point.
        jeremyfranco 7y ago
        Evidence wasn't hard to find though... https://www.wired.com/story/the-dirty-war-over-diversity-inside-google/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-dirty-war-over-diversity-ins...
        jhanschoo 7y ago
        Then this should have been the comment. But this article isn't evidence of Google having a liberal orthodoxy. It supports instead the claim that Google is a politically charged workplace, and that diversity advocates working at Google were facing harassment.
        jeremyfranco 7y ago
        > Then this should have been the comment. I simply noticed that it took literally a single search on Google to get to know about it. Not trying to defend the OP. > But this article isn't evidence of Google having a liberal orthodoxy Or the opposite, if literally members of unpopular party work there and have that kind of power. It supports the poster thesis (phrased in a provocative way) that this kind of issues are not unknown at Google, either one way or the other. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crenshaw-calls-google-disturbing-after-employee-calls-ben-shapiro-a-nazi https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crenshaw-calls-googl... I guess the part of the original comment (now dead) that says (quoting) > That one guy: what a relief, because I’m literally a Nazi. > Everybody: no. Leave that part at home. > Guy: my rights are being trampled by a liberal conspiracy! is exposed here https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/google-sued-bias-claims-conservative-employees-1073061 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/google-sued-bias-clai...
    - greesil 7y ago
      I suppose it did push some readers' buttons, thus ipso facto is flamebait whether or not that was the intent. I did not find it snarky (hyperbole is not snark), and it seemed to me its intent was to explain the situation as the author saw it. Of course, now that it's flagged I can't even re read it to check if my initial impression was off.
      - Stratoscope 7y ago
        You can read flagged/dead comments by turning on "showdead" on your profile/settings page.
        jeremyfranco 7y ago
        False: you can't if you're browsing the site anonymously.
        jeremyfranco 7y ago
        This is funny, downvoted for writing the truth... It is impossible for anonymous readers to open dead comments. If it is not, please explain me how to do it
        Stratoscope 7y ago
        I wasn't one of your downvoters. (As you may know, you can't downvote a direct reply to your own comment.) But I think I know why your comment was downvoted. greesil wrote: "now that it's flagged I can't even re read it" I replied: "You can read flagged/dead comments by turning on 'showdead' on your profile/settings page." You then replied: "False: you can't if you're browsing the site anonymously." Now ask yourself, who was the "you" I addressed in my comment? Obviously greesil, and by extension other logged-in users like yourself. I wasn't talking to, or talking about, anonymous readers. I never said they could read dead comments. They don't have profile pages! The discussion had nothing to do with anonymous readers until you brought them up out of the blue and incorrectly called my comment "false".
- jeremyfranco 7y ago
  > Because it's an extremely dishonest take on a highly political issue It is also plausible. Burying the head in the sand to avoid getting political is part of the problem, not of the solution.
libria 7y ago
I think burying a comment may lend it some validity. Critiquing it is a better method of understanding or correcting it. Here's a censored version: Founders: Bring your whole selves to work. Employees: great! That one guy: what a relief, because I’m literally an unpopular-party member. Everybody: no. Leave that part at home. Guy: my rights are being trampled by a popular-party conspiracy! Other person: my unique identity is the most important aspect of large-scale software development. Anyone who disagrees must be fired. Everyone: that doesn’t seem all that relevant, actually. Person: my rights are being trampled by a majority identity conspiracy! Everyone: frustration

Why is this being downvoted? Now it's flagged. This is ridiculous.

Sohcahtoa82 7y ago

Because it's an extremely dishonest take on a highly political issue.

greesil 7y ago
Isn't the more appropriate response to respond to the comment rather than downvote it? It doesn't seem to be a personal attack, or some other violation of the community guidelines.
- goosehonk 7y ago
  I know my account is the one in green, but: you must be new here.
- Sohcahtoa82 7y ago
  I'm not a moderator, but IMO, it was absolutely a violation of community guidelines. It was incredibly snarky, flamebaity, and was obviously written to start a political battle. The fact that it got flagged shows I'm definitely not alone in this thinking.
  - goosehonk 7y ago
    I'm just giving you the straight dope on a few aspects of the organizational disaster that is google. The fact that you think it's incredible etc just shows what a basket case this company is.
    - jhanschoo 7y ago
      If you want to give "straight dope" on a controversial issue, you don't do it by caricature without evidence. Instead you present incontrovertible evidence that proves your point.
      - jeremyfranco 7y ago
        Evidence wasn't hard to find though... https://www.wired.com/story/the-dirty-war-over-diversity-inside-google/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-dirty-war-over-diversity-ins...
        jhanschoo 7y ago
        Then this should have been the comment. But this article isn't evidence of Google having a liberal orthodoxy. It supports instead the claim that Google is a politically charged workplace, and that diversity advocates working at Google were facing harassment.
        jeremyfranco 7y ago
        > Then this should have been the comment. I simply noticed that it took literally a single search on Google to get to know about it. Not trying to defend the OP. > But this article isn't evidence of Google having a liberal orthodoxy Or the opposite, if literally members of unpopular party work there and have that kind of power. It supports the poster thesis (phrased in a provocative way) that this kind of issues are not unknown at Google, either one way or the other. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crenshaw-calls-google-disturbing-after-employee-calls-ben-shapiro-a-nazi https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crenshaw-calls-googl... I guess the part of the original comment (now dead) that says (quoting) > That one guy: what a relief, because I’m literally a Nazi. > Everybody: no. Leave that part at home. > Guy: my rights are being trampled by a liberal conspiracy! is exposed here https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/google-sued-bias-claims-conservative-employees-1073061 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/google-sued-bias-clai...
  - greesil 7y ago
    I suppose it did push some readers' buttons, thus ipso facto is flamebait whether or not that was the intent. I did not find it snarky (hyperbole is not snark), and it seemed to me its intent was to explain the situation as the author saw it. Of course, now that it's flagged I can't even re read it to check if my initial impression was off.
    - Stratoscope 7y ago
      You can read flagged/dead comments by turning on "showdead" on your profile/settings page.
      - jeremyfranco 7y ago
        False: you can't if you're browsing the site anonymously.
        jeremyfranco 7y ago
        This is funny, downvoted for writing the truth... It is impossible for anonymous readers to open dead comments. If it is not, please explain me how to do it
        Stratoscope 7y ago
        I wasn't one of your downvoters. (As you may know, you can't downvote a direct reply to your own comment.) But I think I know why your comment was downvoted. greesil wrote: "now that it's flagged I can't even re read it" I replied: "You can read flagged/dead comments by turning on 'showdead' on your profile/settings page." You then replied: "False: you can't if you're browsing the site anonymously." Now ask yourself, who was the "you" I addressed in my comment? Obviously greesil, and by extension other logged-in users like yourself. I wasn't talking to, or talking about, anonymous readers. I never said they could read dead comments. They don't have profile pages! The discussion had nothing to do with anonymous readers until you brought them up out of the blue and incorrectly called my comment "false".
jeremyfranco 7y ago
> Because it's an extremely dishonest take on a highly political issue It is also plausible. Burying the head in the sand to avoid getting political is part of the problem, not of the solution.

libria 7y ago

I think burying a comment may lend it some validity. Critiquing it is a better method of understanding or correcting it. Here's a censored version: Founders: Bring your whole selves to work. Employees: great! That one guy: what a relief, because I’m literally an unpopular-party member. Everybody: no. Leave that part at home. Guy: my rights are being trampled by a popular-party conspiracy! Other person: my unique identity is the most important aspect of large-scale software development. Anyone who disagrees must be fired. Everyone: that doesn’t seem all that relevant, actually. Person: my rights are being trampled by a majority identity conspiracy! Everyone: frustration