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Their policies were for more than "restrictive" is how I'm reading it See [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressed_research_in_the_Soviet_Union https:

Their policies were for more than "restrictive" is how I'm reading it See [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressed_research_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressed_research_in_the_Sov...

mikorym 7y ago
Yes. I'm saying restrictive to describe the effect on academic papers. The effect on (oppression of) the academics themselves was much worse.
- gdy 7y ago
  No, that's BS. There are well known cases of genetics and cybernetics being banned for ideological reasons during Stalin's time. Scientific books and articles of convicted 'enemies of the state' were dangerous to possess in that time too. Some scientists used ideological 'arguments' in scientific debates which were dangerous to argue against. But all that, AFAIK, ended after Stalin's death in 1953. Moreover, I've never heard anything about mathematics in this regard.
  - mikorym 7y ago
    Not sure what you are saying. Mathematicians were not even allowed to travel abroad [1] and any "concessions" were essentially as it pleased the USSR state. Only from 1990 was movement free in the true sense of the word. [1] An example was when Margulis won the Fields medal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Margulis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Margulis. There are many other examples too.
    - mikorym 7y ago
      [2] Also the 1970 Fields medal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Novikov_(mathematician) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Novikov_(mathematician)
    - gdy 7y ago
      What does that have to do with sharing knowledge in the USSR and the countries in the Soviet block? It was never in Soviet ideology to hide knowledge behind paywalls. See, for example, this [0] post about Mir publishing house and warm comments of Indians who grew up with their books. Sci-hub's ideology is just continuation of this approach. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21352277 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21352277
      - mikorym 7y ago
        > Sci-hub's ideology is just continuation of this approach. Actually, that was the point of what I was saying—the mathematicians had to be inventive and thus passed around preprints that they knew would also be read in the West.
        gdy 7y ago
        Why did they have to be inventive? Please provide a source.

mikorym 7y ago

Yes. I'm saying restrictive to describe the effect on academic papers. The effect on (oppression of) the academics themselves was much worse.

gdy 7y ago
No, that's BS. There are well known cases of genetics and cybernetics being banned for ideological reasons during Stalin's time. Scientific books and articles of convicted 'enemies of the state' were dangerous to possess in that time too. Some scientists used ideological 'arguments' in scientific debates which were dangerous to argue against. But all that, AFAIK, ended after Stalin's death in 1953. Moreover, I've never heard anything about mathematics in this regard.
- mikorym 7y ago
  Not sure what you are saying. Mathematicians were not even allowed to travel abroad [1] and any "concessions" were essentially as it pleased the USSR state. Only from 1990 was movement free in the true sense of the word. [1] An example was when Margulis won the Fields medal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Margulis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Margulis. There are many other examples too.
  - mikorym 7y ago
    [2] Also the 1970 Fields medal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Novikov_(mathematician) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Novikov_(mathematician)
  - gdy 7y ago
    What does that have to do with sharing knowledge in the USSR and the countries in the Soviet block? It was never in Soviet ideology to hide knowledge behind paywalls. See, for example, this [0] post about Mir publishing house and warm comments of Indians who grew up with their books. Sci-hub's ideology is just continuation of this approach. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21352277 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21352277
    - mikorym 7y ago
      > Sci-hub's ideology is just continuation of this approach. Actually, that was the point of what I was saying—the mathematicians had to be inventive and thus passed around preprints that they knew would also be read in the West.
      - gdy 7y ago
        Why did they have to be inventive? Please provide a source.