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I’m sorry but this assertion does not hold in general. Two things to think about https://psmag.com/magazine/cellphone-revolutionary-objects https://psmag.com/

I’m sorry but this assertion does not hold in general. Two things to think about https://psmag.com/magazine/cellphone-revolutionary-objects https://psmag.com/magazine/cellphone-revolutionary-objects https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/communists-capitalism-stalinism-economic-model https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/commun...

rayiner 7y ago
Capitalism is consensus. Even Europe, which experimented with soft forms of socialism in the 1960s-1980s, has settled back to various forms of capitalist welfare system with free markets, low business taxes, and reduced regulation. Tatcher, Reagan, Merkel, Clinton, Blair, Harper, Howard, Johnson-these people weren’t passing fads. They represent the consensus view of the most prosperous and successful societies in the planet. I find it very difficult to care what privileged people from capitalist countries have to say about the problems of capitalism. There is a blueprint to prosperity. It involves free markets, property rights, individual freedom, respect for investors, the rule of law, and an abiding skepticism of radicalism or social upheaval. Countries like Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Korea, etc., have followed that blueprint to prosperity within the lifetime of people who are around today. Countries like Bangladesh, where my family hails from, are seeing massive development by moving (imperfectly) in that direction. People like “Owen Jones” May be well intentioned, but in their nativity are a threat to the potential for a free and prosperous world. We’re all on a boat. There are reasonable debates to be had about which way we should steer the boat or how fast to go. But the people espousing socialism (not like Macron welfare capitalist, but as contradistinguished from capitalism) are trying to poke holes in the boat.
- euroPoor 7y ago
  > I find it very difficult to care what privileged people from capitalist countries have to say about the problems of capitalism. Imagine being this undemocratic and inhumane. You should listen to critique and not outright deny its existence. If you’re going to defend oligarchies (US, France, UK) I don’t know what to tell you but ‘consensus’ and ‘majority view’ are definitely not the keywords here.
  - badpun 7y ago
    > If you’re going to defend oligarchies (US, France, UK) I don’t know what to tell you but ‘consensus’ and ‘majority view’ are definitely not the keywords here. The catastrophic effects of most (all?) revolutions that wanted to change that should really be emphasised more during history lessons in school. Without it, people are clueless as to the dangers of trying to change the status quo.
    - euroPoor 7y ago
      I wasn’t talking about revolution, just about acknowledging critique. I highly agree that capitalism brought the most prosperous period for humanity but there’s still lots to do and we all _have_ to listen to the poor, the disenfranchised, the ones getting the short end of the stick (ie Gilets Jaunes).
      - badpun 7y ago
        I'm not sure I'd call France a free-market capitalism. They're dead last in Europe in many rankings regarding taxation, ease of doing business etc. It can be argued that the protesters are actually protesting about the shortcomings of the system that France has - a highly rigid and bureaucratic welfare state with uber-taxation levels, which over long periods of time causes prosperity to dwindle for everyone. Of course, there are some fat cats that are profiting and doing extremely well - but every system, even the best functioning ones, has these people, which suggests that they are actually not the problem.
      - rayiner 7y ago
        We should listen to everyone in a democracy. But France is not in the mood for what the yellow vests are selling. In the 2017 first round, 70% of votes went to center-left Macron (a banker who promised economic liberalization) or center-right or far-right candidates. Yellow vests are protesting because voters are rejecting their policy preferences.
- vanusa 7y ago
  I find it very difficult to care what privileged people from capitalist countries have to say about the problems of capitalism. So what are the underpriveleged saying about it?

rayiner 7y ago

Capitalism is consensus. Even Europe, which experimented with soft forms of socialism in the 1960s-1980s, has settled back to various forms of capitalist welfare system with free markets, low business taxes, and reduced regulation. Tatcher, Reagan, Merkel, Clinton, Blair, Harper, Howard, Johnson-these people weren’t passing fads. They represent the consensus view of the most prosperous and successful societies in the planet. I find it very difficult to care what privileged people from capitalist countries have to say about the problems of capitalism. There is a blueprint to prosperity. It involves free markets, property rights, individual freedom, respect for investors, the rule of law, and an abiding skepticism of radicalism or social upheaval. Countries like Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Korea, etc., have followed that blueprint to prosperity within the lifetime of people who are around today. Countries like Bangladesh, where my family hails from, are seeing massive development by moving (imperfectly) in that direction. People like “Owen Jones” May be well intentioned, but in their nativity are a threat to the potential for a free and prosperous world. We’re all on a boat. There are reasonable debates to be had about which way we should steer the boat or how fast to go. But the people espousing socialism (not like Macron welfare capitalist, but as contradistinguished from capitalism) are trying to poke holes in the boat.

euroPoor 7y ago
> I find it very difficult to care what privileged people from capitalist countries have to say about the problems of capitalism. Imagine being this undemocratic and inhumane. You should listen to critique and not outright deny its existence. If you’re going to defend oligarchies (US, France, UK) I don’t know what to tell you but ‘consensus’ and ‘majority view’ are definitely not the keywords here.
- badpun 7y ago
  > If you’re going to defend oligarchies (US, France, UK) I don’t know what to tell you but ‘consensus’ and ‘majority view’ are definitely not the keywords here. The catastrophic effects of most (all?) revolutions that wanted to change that should really be emphasised more during history lessons in school. Without it, people are clueless as to the dangers of trying to change the status quo.
  - euroPoor 7y ago
    I wasn’t talking about revolution, just about acknowledging critique. I highly agree that capitalism brought the most prosperous period for humanity but there’s still lots to do and we all _have_ to listen to the poor, the disenfranchised, the ones getting the short end of the stick (ie Gilets Jaunes).
    - badpun 7y ago
      I'm not sure I'd call France a free-market capitalism. They're dead last in Europe in many rankings regarding taxation, ease of doing business etc. It can be argued that the protesters are actually protesting about the shortcomings of the system that France has - a highly rigid and bureaucratic welfare state with uber-taxation levels, which over long periods of time causes prosperity to dwindle for everyone. Of course, there are some fat cats that are profiting and doing extremely well - but every system, even the best functioning ones, has these people, which suggests that they are actually not the problem.
    - rayiner 7y ago
      We should listen to everyone in a democracy. But France is not in the mood for what the yellow vests are selling. In the 2017 first round, 70% of votes went to center-left Macron (a banker who promised economic liberalization) or center-right or far-right candidates. Yellow vests are protesting because voters are rejecting their policy preferences.
vanusa 7y ago
I find it very difficult to care what privileged people from capitalist countries have to say about the problems of capitalism. So what are the underpriveleged saying about it?