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The walkout referred to was over a year ago, so I wouldn't call that discontent "emerging". If anything, that demonstrates that discontent is diminishing, becau

by lacker 7y ago

The walkout referred to was over a year ago, so I wouldn't call that discontent "emerging". If anything, that demonstrates that discontent is diminishing, because there hasn't been another similar walkout.

sildur 7y ago
Yeah, in the same vein the discontent in Venezuela must be diminishing, as there is been quite some time from the last big demonstrations.
ericol 7y ago
I think they made every effort possible to cut this at the root, and even retaliate. the fact that 4 out of 7 of the organizers of the walkout left the company[1], some with more than 10 years working for Google, is rather telling. I don't think your comment holds water. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/most-google-walkout-organizers-left-company/ https://www.wired.com/story/most-google-walkout-organizers-l...
- big_chungus 7y ago
  I don't get the constant critiques of this. They fired employees who encouraged others to leave their jobs. That's not really "retaliation", is it? Were a competitor to do that, Google would have a case for tortious interference. Why is it any different when it's "organizing"? It's not like this was a unionization attempt, which might have some legal protection.
  - claudeganon 7y ago
    Actually, organizing around workplace conditions (in this case, alleged sexual violence by Google executives) is a protected action under US labor law. So, yes, it would be retaliation and no, they’re not allowed to do that.
Someone1234 7y ago
You posted that someone needed to demonstrate "structural discontent" via a news story involving at least 1K employees. They linked to one involving 20K. And your response to that is: "This proves that discontent is diminishing?" You set the challenge, they exceeded it 20x, and you've not made a believable case that this shows "content is diminishing." In fact exceeding your original demands by 20x seems to thoroughly show that the basis for the claim is true.
- p1esk 7y ago
  For anyone pointing to "structural discontent" at Google, you guys seem to be very out of touch with reality. Compared to 99% of other large corporations (in US, or worldwide), Google is heaven on Earth as a place to work at. $200k entry level comp, lots of perks, very smart people all around you, open culture, coolest stuff to work on, cutting edge tech stack and great tools, future technologies being invented right next to you (or by you!), etc, etc. There are problems, or course, because you're bound to have problems in any 100k organization, but at other places it's so much worse. Try working at any company on Fortune 500 list, other than FAANG, or at any government agency, and see how much tolerance for "discontent" is there. The amount of BS per $ you will have to endure there is simply incomparable. Or maybe you want to hold Google to higher standards just because it's Google? Why exactly?
  - Someone1234 7y ago
    This has nothing to do with the post you replied to. Plus this retort essentially boils down to "Google pays well and other companies are even worse so quit complaining!" Restating the compensation argument multiple different ways, and the cutting edge argument multiple times doesn't really address the actual underlying complaints being made (Google's partnership with distasteful foreign governments and other corporate immoralities). If you want to talk corporate morals, sure, relevant. If you just want to brag that Google pays super well and is less evil than [more evil companies] this seems like a whole other discussion that sidesteps the issues. Which isn't to say it is untrue, just irrelevant.
    - 7y ago

by lacker 7y ago

sildur 7y ago

Yeah, in the same vein the discontent in Venezuela must be diminishing, as there is been quite some time from the last big demonstrations.

ericol 7y ago

I think they made every effort possible to cut this at the root, and even retaliate. the fact that 4 out of 7 of the organizers of the walkout left the company[1], some with more than 10 years working for Google, is rather telling. I don't think your comment holds water. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/most-google-walkout-organizers-left-company/ https://www.wired.com/story/most-google-walkout-organizers-l...

big_chungus 7y ago
I don't get the constant critiques of this. They fired employees who encouraged others to leave their jobs. That's not really "retaliation", is it? Were a competitor to do that, Google would have a case for tortious interference. Why is it any different when it's "organizing"? It's not like this was a unionization attempt, which might have some legal protection.
- claudeganon 7y ago
  Actually, organizing around workplace conditions (in this case, alleged sexual violence by Google executives) is a protected action under US labor law. So, yes, it would be retaliation and no, they’re not allowed to do that.

Someone1234 7y ago

You posted that someone needed to demonstrate "structural discontent" via a news story involving at least 1K employees. They linked to one involving 20K. And your response to that is: "This proves that discontent is diminishing?" You set the challenge, they exceeded it 20x, and you've not made a believable case that this shows "content is diminishing." In fact exceeding your original demands by 20x seems to thoroughly show that the basis for the claim is true.

p1esk 7y ago
For anyone pointing to "structural discontent" at Google, you guys seem to be very out of touch with reality. Compared to 99% of other large corporations (in US, or worldwide), Google is heaven on Earth as a place to work at. $200k entry level comp, lots of perks, very smart people all around you, open culture, coolest stuff to work on, cutting edge tech stack and great tools, future technologies being invented right next to you (or by you!), etc, etc. There are problems, or course, because you're bound to have problems in any 100k organization, but at other places it's so much worse. Try working at any company on Fortune 500 list, other than FAANG, or at any government agency, and see how much tolerance for "discontent" is there. The amount of BS per $ you will have to endure there is simply incomparable. Or maybe you want to hold Google to higher standards just because it's Google? Why exactly?
- Someone1234 7y ago
  This has nothing to do with the post you replied to. Plus this retort essentially boils down to "Google pays well and other companies are even worse so quit complaining!" Restating the compensation argument multiple different ways, and the cutting edge argument multiple times doesn't really address the actual underlying complaints being made (Google's partnership with distasteful foreign governments and other corporate immoralities). If you want to talk corporate morals, sure, relevant. If you just want to brag that Google pays super well and is less evil than [more evil companies] this seems like a whole other discussion that sidesteps the issues. Which isn't to say it is untrue, just irrelevant.
  - 7y ago