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Purism Librem 5 Hardware Schematics
- songshuu 7y agoSo far I have heard of maybe one end user with a phone IRL. Are there any examples of non-promoters / paid reviewers / internal employees (like plain ole' end users) showing off the phone?
- yepthatsreality 7y agoArstechnica just did a story: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/12/librem-5-backers-receiving-their-linux-phones/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/12/librem-5-backers-rec...
- blendergeek 7y agoThere have been a few reviews popping up. Here are some: https://0net.io/1EwAh4KUfGgRw1re7uyrmTUWKZYV9SHVcW/ https://0net.io/1EwAh4KUfGgRw1re7uyrmTUWKZYV9SHVcW/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/e2mqgb/i_have_my_librem_5_ama/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/e2mqgb/i_have_my_li...
- seba_dos1 7y agoAlso: https://azdle.net/2019/11/comparing-apples-and-gnomes/ https://azdle.net/2019/11/comparing-apples-and-gnomes/
- yepthatsreality 7y agoWas the title changed to get around this exact story being posted yesterday?[0] This title is wrong and is not the schematics but a blog post announcing the release of the Birch schematics. The correct title is “A Different Kind of Transparency” [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21690269 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21690269
- dang 7y agoIt doesn't count as a dupe if the story hasn't had significant attention yet. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
- yepthatsreality 7y agoAh, I had forgotten about this. Thanks!
- hereme888 7y agoPerhaps the Chinese rush to copy their work and sell it cheaper (with malware).
- megous 7y agoWhy would they bother?
- wmf 7y agoArduino, Trezor, and 3D printers (I forget the name) have all been cloned. It's a real concern for companies that are trying to fund open hardware R&D by marking up the hardware. Currently I doubt there's enough demand for the Librem phone to justify cloning though.
- TaylorAlexander 7y agoWell Prusa, the creator of the most cloned and world most popular 3D printer design is happy about all the clones. And they occupy different spaces in the market. Clones are $250 and the Prusa is $1000. And yet business is booming. As an open hardware creator myself my hope is always that someone else better at manufacturing will clone my work so I can source from them and focus on whatever reasons I had for making the hardware.
- megous 7y agoAlso, Librem 5 schematics are GPL, so it would be sort of weird to make copying into something negative, while using the copyleft license.
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- newnewpdro 7y agoDon't get my hopes up.
- mattl 7y agoCalls don't work yet it seems
- m463 7y agoThe reviews said the speaker isn't wired up. I wonder if you can call with the headphone jack?
- seba_dos1 7y agoIt's purely software. An update with audio routing will be out likely this week (it's in testing, and you can already get it if you compile stuff yourself).
- azdle 7y agoMy understanding is that the microphone (& speakers?) isn't wired directly to the modem, but needs the CPU to replay the audio to the modem so that the modem (aka, baseband) doesn't have access to the microphone audio except when it actually needs it. So, I would think that the headphone mic wouldn't work either.
- zzo38computer 7y agoThis is good for privacy, but can this way of not wiring the microphone directly would also be helpful to do recordings and to send/receive faxes, or does that not work?
- alasarmas 7y agoMy understanding is that, in general, it's not possible to send a fax via cell phone audio because the digital compression applied does not pass enough information to sustain a fax modem connection. It may be possible with a higher-bandwidth thing like voice-over-LTE, though? (of course I'd love to be wrong and learn that this is easy :-)
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- chme 7y agoWhat I find strange that they still don't have specs for the dimensions and weight... That is something they have been very coy about... https://puri.sm/faq/index.html#faq-Whatarethephonespecs https://puri.sm/faq/index.html#faq-Whatarethephonespecs
- smacktoward 7y agoI suspect this has to do with the current scheme of shipping out the devices in iterative "batches." Presumably they are assuming the early batches will be heavy and clunky, with size and weight of each batch decreasing over time as they learn more about manufacturing. I find this more troubling than the idea of early batches shipping with pre-beta quality software. At least improvements to software can be pushed out to older devices. If you buy an early batch and get a phone the size and weight of a brick, though, that phone is always going to be the size and weight of a brick.
- wmf 7y agoYou have to opt in to the early batches and don't they post photos showing how ugly it is? It seems like customers are informed about what they're getting.
- m463 7y agoreview of an early phone: "The phone is chonky. I measure it at 15.6 mm thick, 150.2 mm tall, and 75.2 mm wide." https://azdle.net/2019/11/comparing-apples-and-gnomes/ https://azdle.net/2019/11/comparing-apples-and-gnomes/ I assume that the specs will change batch to batch. for comparison: iPhone XS: 7.5mm x 143.6 x 70.9 iPhone XS max: 7.7mm x 157.5 x 77.4
- smichel17 7y agoAlso from the same person, Azdle, further up in this thread: > My garbage kitchen scale says 231 g.
- cia-killer 7y agoPretty interesting, I hope they make something similar for the laptops. I use an x200 with Libreboot to avoid the proprietary software in new Intel chips and the bios. It's still fast since I use Arch with dwm, but at some point in the future I would like to switch.
- fghtr 7y ago> I hope they make something similar for the laptops From https://puri.sm/faq/ https://puri.sm/faq/: "We cannot share the schematics nor design currently because it is copyright encumbered from Intel reference designs. In the future, on future versions we plan to be able to release those."
- icefog 7y ago> x200 with Libreboot How safe are those now that the Intel vulnerabilities are known? I doubt hardware that old is getting microcode updates.
- thinkmassive 7y agoYou can disable hyperthreading to mitigate a lot of Intel vulnerabilities. Qubes, which is a popular OS choice within the coreboot crowd, does this by default.
- icefog 7y agoBut not all of them, right? Some of the vulnerabilities do require upstream microcode updates, and without them, I feel like the risk introduced outweighs any benefit provided by Libreboot.
- ajxs 7y agoHi Luke M Smith, how's it going? I love your channel.
- pretendgeneer 7y ago(Not a criticism of purism but of how little is required to say "Open Hardware" in general). I have to say how disappointing it is what counts as open hardware. A simple schematic and some xrays? Why not the Kicad(I'm pretty sure that's what they said they used to make it) files, or maybe an openboardview [1] .brd file that would actually help for device repair and hacking on the phone at a hardware level. As a comparison to FOSS this is the equivalent of releasing a binary and some header files. [1] https://openboardview.org/ https://openboardview.org/
- seba_dos1 7y ago>I'm pretty sure that's what they said they used to make it That was said about the devkit. Gerber files are supposed to be released in a few years, after recouping development costs.
- beatgammit 7y agoI sure hope this is true, and it would be a show of good faith to give it to anyone who asks that also signs an NDA or something until the development costs are recouped so people can at least repair them easily.
- dfox 7y agoI don’t know what EDA software was used to produce the schematics, but it certainly wasn’t KiCad. Also from the overall style it looks to me like the schematics actually were created by some east asian ODM and not by Puri.sm themselves.
- knolax 7y agoHow can you tell? I'm curious as to which specific details you're referring to.
- lvs 7y agoWhy has it become so acceptable to launch half-baked products that don't actually work? Twenty years ago, you launched a product and it had to work right out of the box. What's gone wrong here?
- seba_dos1 7y agoIt's a crowdfunded project where some of the backers opted in to receive a device from an early batch. What's so unacceptable about that?
- beatgammit 7y agoAnd they've been pretty clear that this batch is expected to have issues resolvable in software. I'm sure the audio issue for calls will be fixed in the next few weeks, along with some improvements to battery life and whatnot. If you don't want a pre-production product, don't opt in for it and wait for Evergreen.
- wmf 7y agoSome of the customers for this phone are developers who want to contribute to its development. And some customers are so interested in it that they would prefer to receive the half-baked version instead of waiting.
- newnewpdro 7y agoEver heard of Apple? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_1_Advertisement_Oct_1976.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_1_Advertisement_Oct...
- scoutt 7y agoNice move from puri.sm At page 15 and 16 there are some M.2 connectors. One has an USB line named USB2_WIFI_D* and the other USB2_4G_D* so I guess these are used for 2 external radio modules (WIFI/BT and 4G). I wonder what these modules are. Will it ship with the same from the devkit (RedPine WiFi/BT M.2 module on SDIO, SIMCom SIM7100E)? Pretty important from a security/privacy standpoint.
- seba_dos1 7y agoThe WiFi/BT module is the same. The modem module is BroadMobi BM818; at later batches there will be an option to get Cinterion PLS8 instead too.