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I give it five years before TVs with built-in 5G are mainstream. In addition, some TVs automatically connect to open WiFi.

buckminster 7y ago
Yeah, people keep saying 5G is important for the internet of things. This is surely what they mean.
- beamatronic 7y ago
  The internet of things with ads
  - tpmx 7y ago
    IoTwA?
codetrotter 7y ago
I'm fine with that. If its using 5G then it's not on my LAN and the concern in the featured article is no longer a problem. Furthermore, if its using 5G then its not tied to the IP address that my other traffic comes from and so they can't use the TV to target me with ads online either. (Provided I don't use any of the same accounts on both the TV and my other devices.)
- saltcured 7y ago
  I think you are ignoring the use of location-based tracking and other correlation techniques. A bunch of different 5G appliances can all figure out their positions quite accurately from 5G signals and decide they belong to the same household. And, that's before you consider that they can also scan local wifi and bluetooth spectra to glean even more information about their local environments. With participation of vendor applications on phones, they could also use ultrasonics or crazier things like modulated LED lighting. Finally, if one of those devices is compromised, it can then be used to launch local attacks via wifi and bluetooth, or even potentially those other covert channels if they can exploit sloppy code in those other dark apps...
  - codetrotter 7y ago
    You are right, I didn't think about those things. Taking those things into account as well as the things paulmd pointed out in a sibling comment, I am no longer fine with the idea of 5G in my TV.
- repler 7y ago
  > I'm fine with that. If its using 5G then it's not on my LAN and the concern in the featured article is no longer a problem. Not on your LAN but still harvesting your usage data (a feature!), and still hackable (smile for the camera!).
  - codetrotter 7y ago
    > and still hackable (smile for the camera!) I don't know of any TVs that come with a camera built into them, and if there are any I certainly wouldn't buy one of those.
- paulmd 7y ago
  TVs can emit ultrasonic tracking tones which your phone can pick up and link your TV identity to your phone identity (facebook, google, whatever apps have microphone access to listen). https://www.pindrop.com/blog/silently-tracking-users-with-ultrasonic-beacons/ https://www.pindrop.com/blog/silently-tracking-users-with-ul... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/11/your-phone-is-literally-listening-to-your-tv/416712/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/11/your-... https://thehackernews.com/2017/05/ultrasonic-tracking-signals-apps.html https://thehackernews.com/2017/05/ultrasonic-tracking-signal... Also, virtually any device with cell connectivity includes a GPS on the same chipset so it's pretty trivial to connect that with google location data. So if it has 5G it has your location it has your identity.
  - jankiehodgpodge 7y ago
    It might not even be that hard. The TV could just broadcast a Bluetooth beacon and your phone will automatically send the details to Google/Apple where your locations can be tied.
tootie 7y ago
I will wrap the entire bezel in Faraday tape. Will probably look pretty cool.

buckminster 7y ago

Yeah, people keep saying 5G is important for the internet of things. This is surely what they mean.

beamatronic 7y ago
The internet of things with ads
- tpmx 7y ago
  IoTwA?

codetrotter 7y ago

I'm fine with that. If its using 5G then it's not on my LAN and the concern in the featured article is no longer a problem. Furthermore, if its using 5G then its not tied to the IP address that my other traffic comes from and so they can't use the TV to target me with ads online either. (Provided I don't use any of the same accounts on both the TV and my other devices.)

saltcured 7y ago
I think you are ignoring the use of location-based tracking and other correlation techniques. A bunch of different 5G appliances can all figure out their positions quite accurately from 5G signals and decide they belong to the same household. And, that's before you consider that they can also scan local wifi and bluetooth spectra to glean even more information about their local environments. With participation of vendor applications on phones, they could also use ultrasonics or crazier things like modulated LED lighting. Finally, if one of those devices is compromised, it can then be used to launch local attacks via wifi and bluetooth, or even potentially those other covert channels if they can exploit sloppy code in those other dark apps...
- codetrotter 7y ago
  You are right, I didn't think about those things. Taking those things into account as well as the things paulmd pointed out in a sibling comment, I am no longer fine with the idea of 5G in my TV.
repler 7y ago
> I'm fine with that. If its using 5G then it's not on my LAN and the concern in the featured article is no longer a problem. Not on your LAN but still harvesting your usage data (a feature!), and still hackable (smile for the camera!).
- codetrotter 7y ago
  > and still hackable (smile for the camera!) I don't know of any TVs that come with a camera built into them, and if there are any I certainly wouldn't buy one of those.
paulmd 7y ago
TVs can emit ultrasonic tracking tones which your phone can pick up and link your TV identity to your phone identity (facebook, google, whatever apps have microphone access to listen). https://www.pindrop.com/blog/silently-tracking-users-with-ultrasonic-beacons/ https://www.pindrop.com/blog/silently-tracking-users-with-ul... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/11/your-phone-is-literally-listening-to-your-tv/416712/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/11/your-... https://thehackernews.com/2017/05/ultrasonic-tracking-signals-apps.html https://thehackernews.com/2017/05/ultrasonic-tracking-signal... Also, virtually any device with cell connectivity includes a GPS on the same chipset so it's pretty trivial to connect that with google location data. So if it has 5G it has your location it has your identity.
- jankiehodgpodge 7y ago
  It might not even be that hard. The TV could just broadcast a Bluetooth beacon and your phone will automatically send the details to Google/Apple where your locations can be tied.

tootie 7y ago

I will wrap the entire bezel in Faraday tape. Will probably look pretty cool.