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You know where they are headed instead? Canada. There has been an huge influx of Indians from US coming to Canada. I've seen it first hand in the Toronto mark

You know where they are headed instead? Canada. There has been an huge influx of Indians from US coming to Canada. I've seen it first hand in the Toronto market. We had shit salaries to begin with, and this isn't helping.

md8 7y ago
And companies opening branches in Canada as well.
jdjdjjsjs 7y ago
We had 5 developers move to Canada. They are being paid far above market value because they wouldn't agree to drop down to Canadian salaries. Further, new hiring has shifted to Canada (we didn't hire devs in Canada at all) and there is a new office now because 5 devs is quite a few, as opposed to the single remote Canadian we used to have. I suspect salaries are only gonna rise. At least the devs who moved from within our company are being paid well above local market value.
- thbr99 7y ago
  The fact that you hold a permanent residency in Canada will help in demanding more salary in Canada because you are not at the mercy of your employer for your status unlike in the US where you are chained to your H1B sponsor.
- md8 7y ago
  I have come across companies that stopped hiring in the US and moving jobs to Canada. Even a Silicon Valley company with good funding recently that I applied to, with a job posting in San Francisco, eventually hired in Canada.
  - ireadfaces 7y ago
    That's true for FAANG companies as well. They have slowed down hiring in US since it has become really hard to bring that talent in the country. Instead they are slowly moving their work to other countries and doubling down on hiring there. Source - I and many people I know have been approached for jobs in Countries other than my country of residence.
dominotw 7y ago
Don't canadian companies ask for "canadian experience required" on their job applications?
- vsskanth 7y ago
  With the expection of healthcare and construction, Canadian work experience isn't particularly unique.
  - dominotw 7y ago
    Ah ok. Bunch of my friends from canada in tech reported that as the main reason for not being able to land a tech job :). I seen tons of these questions on quora and other sites too https://www.quora.com/As-a-Canadian-employer-why-do-you-think-Canadian-work-experience-is-necessary-Why-would-you-not-hire-a-qualified-immigrant-with-adequate-skill-sets-without-Canadian-Experience https://www.quora.com/As-a-Canadian-employer-why-do-you-thin... so there is def something going on.
- blaser-waffle 7y ago
  As an American in Canada: yes. In practice, it's mostly a resume-filter thing -- working for a year in a cafe part-time was enough to get me to an interview for a software Pro Services gig (I had the degree and experience for it, too, but that cleared the "work in Canada" hurdle)
tinyhouse 7y ago
Good for Indians. Regardless of how difficult it is to obtain visa, and even before Trump, many Indians and Chinese in the US need to wait > 10 years to become permanent residents, which limits their freedom quite a bit. I understand why many prefer the US. Currently salaries are higher than Canada and it's more diverse in terms of where they can live, esp in terms of climate, but I'm not sure it's worth it.
- drpgq 7y ago
  As a Canadian I'm not sure it is good for us give our housing situation.
  - breitling 7y ago
    Exactly. Wages have downward pressure, and housing has upward pressure. We could do without "the Indians" for a while.
nell 7y ago
why were Canadians paid less to begin with? Is the tech industry not competitive there?
- alexgmcm 7y ago
  Wages are determined by the supply and demand of capital and labour. The USA has an enormous amount of capital to invest and those companies want developers and will compete to get them, Europe, Canada etc. not so much. I mean London has a cost of living comparable to many US Cities yet the wages are far lower.

md8 7y ago

And companies opening branches in Canada as well.

jdjdjjsjs 7y ago

We had 5 developers move to Canada. They are being paid far above market value because they wouldn't agree to drop down to Canadian salaries. Further, new hiring has shifted to Canada (we didn't hire devs in Canada at all) and there is a new office now because 5 devs is quite a few, as opposed to the single remote Canadian we used to have. I suspect salaries are only gonna rise. At least the devs who moved from within our company are being paid well above local market value.

thbr99 7y ago
The fact that you hold a permanent residency in Canada will help in demanding more salary in Canada because you are not at the mercy of your employer for your status unlike in the US where you are chained to your H1B sponsor.
md8 7y ago
I have come across companies that stopped hiring in the US and moving jobs to Canada. Even a Silicon Valley company with good funding recently that I applied to, with a job posting in San Francisco, eventually hired in Canada.
- ireadfaces 7y ago
  That's true for FAANG companies as well. They have slowed down hiring in US since it has become really hard to bring that talent in the country. Instead they are slowly moving their work to other countries and doubling down on hiring there. Source - I and many people I know have been approached for jobs in Countries other than my country of residence.

dominotw 7y ago

Don't canadian companies ask for "canadian experience required" on their job applications?

vsskanth 7y ago
With the expection of healthcare and construction, Canadian work experience isn't particularly unique.
- dominotw 7y ago
  Ah ok. Bunch of my friends from canada in tech reported that as the main reason for not being able to land a tech job :). I seen tons of these questions on quora and other sites too https://www.quora.com/As-a-Canadian-employer-why-do-you-think-Canadian-work-experience-is-necessary-Why-would-you-not-hire-a-qualified-immigrant-with-adequate-skill-sets-without-Canadian-Experience https://www.quora.com/As-a-Canadian-employer-why-do-you-thin... so there is def something going on.
blaser-waffle 7y ago
As an American in Canada: yes. In practice, it's mostly a resume-filter thing -- working for a year in a cafe part-time was enough to get me to an interview for a software Pro Services gig (I had the degree and experience for it, too, but that cleared the "work in Canada" hurdle)

tinyhouse 7y ago

Good for Indians. Regardless of how difficult it is to obtain visa, and even before Trump, many Indians and Chinese in the US need to wait > 10 years to become permanent residents, which limits their freedom quite a bit. I understand why many prefer the US. Currently salaries are higher than Canada and it's more diverse in terms of where they can live, esp in terms of climate, but I'm not sure it's worth it.

drpgq 7y ago
As a Canadian I'm not sure it is good for us give our housing situation.
- breitling 7y ago
  Exactly. Wages have downward pressure, and housing has upward pressure. We could do without "the Indians" for a while.

nell 7y ago

why were Canadians paid less to begin with? Is the tech industry not competitive there?

alexgmcm 7y ago
Wages are determined by the supply and demand of capital and labour. The USA has an enormous amount of capital to invest and those companies want developers and will compete to get them, Europe, Canada etc. not so much. I mean London has a cost of living comparable to many US Cities yet the wages are far lower.