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Sorry, but with all the respect I have for Joel and Jeff, almost every-time one tells about "why I prefer using windows for my scalable website rather than open

by tzury 16y ago

Sorry, but with all the respect I have for Joel and Jeff, almost every-time one tells about "why I prefer using windows for my scalable website rather than open source solutions", it reminds me the quote from the Woodie Allen's movie "Doc, uh, my brother's crazy; he thinks he's a chicken." And, uh, the doctor says, "Well, why don't you turn him in?" The guy says, "I would, but I need the eggs." It is all about an imaginary benefit, as an outcome of a silly process (eggs from that imaginary chicken, saving $$ by choosing MS). Even if you tend to believe MS-SQL is the best database out there, there is no way, coding/testing/distributing your layers (and trust me, there are plenty of them at SO) in C#/Windows is better than {Python||Ruby}/Posix. This is my opinion, based on my experience from smaller scale web apps, if at small scale the gap is huge, when things grows to millions of page-views a day, the gap is far larger. Just try to imagine friend-feed, reddit, facebook, justin-tv or any other large website, you name it, scaling and pushing versions on top of MS platform.

dangrossman 16y ago
MySpace is WISC and bigger than many of the sites you named.
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- tzury 16y ago
  apparently, myspace is powered by pimpled faced geeks (see output below [X-PoweredBy]). But that was said as a joke, talking seriously, there is no doubt, the web is powered by the open source software. Most of the major sites, are using the tools which are not made at Redmond. There are however, some large sites which are exceptionally using the WISC stack, but amongst the largest sites, take the top 100, top 1000, you name it, they are the minority. root@clonezilla-srv:~# wget -O- --server-response --spider http://www.myspace.com/ Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists. --2011-02-02 13:25:18-- http://www.myspace.com/ Resolving www.myspace.com... 216.178.39.11 Connecting to www.myspace.com|216.178.39.11|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... HTTP/1.1 200 OK Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate, proxy-revalidate Pragma: no-cache Content-Length: 74124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Expires: -1 Server: Microsoft-IIS/7.5 X-Server: 896c6f7da640823d4508c54f3b48fc12058736fbc4e59bcf Set-Cookie: MSCulture=IP=81.218.172.217&IPCulture=he-IL&PreferredCulture=en-US&PreferredCulturePending=&Country=SUw=&ForcedExpiration=634322139193426057&timeZone=0&myStuffDma=&myStuffMarket=&USRLOC=QXJlYUNvZGU9MCZDaXR5PUtmYXIgU2FiYSZDb3VudHJ5Q29kZT1JTCZDb3VudHJ5TmFtZT1Jc3JhZWwmRG1hQ29kZT0wJkxhdGl0dWRlPTMyLjE4MTcmTG9uZ2l0dWRlPTM0LjkzNTgmUG9zdGFsQ29kZT0mUmVnaW9uTmFtZT0wMiZMb2NhdGlvbklkPTA=&UserFirstVisit=1; domain=.myspace.com; expires=Wed, 09-Feb-2011 11:25:19 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: SessionDDF2=8Q/cYHD2nDXwG4IfpqngrVTCZxMtlFsPs8sS2KKXpeayPKeoIq6z3xJLZvQ7dssRE48xuBfthlzlt6O7FCHJxQ==; domain=.myspace.com; expires=Sun, 02-Feb-2031 11:25:19 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: MYUSERINFO=; domain=.myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: MYUSERINFO=; domain=myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: USER=; domain=.myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: USER=; domain=myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: SECUREUSERAUTH=; domain=.myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/; secure Set-Cookie: SECUREUSERAUTH=; domain=myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/; secure X-AspNet-Version: 4.0.30319 X-PoweredBy: Pimple Faced Geeks Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:25:18 GMT Connection: keep-alive X-Vertical: globalsites Length: 74124 (72K) [text/html] Remote file exists and could contain further links, but recursion is disabled -- not retrieving.
SoftwareMaven 16y ago
The best platform to build on is the one you know inside and out. Spolsky and Atwood are long-time Microsoft developers. I would call them stupid if they hadn't used Microsoft to develop their product with. Personally, I can't imagine doing the scaling, but I don't know the platform at all. SO has obviously figured out how to scale well, though.
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by tzury 16y ago

dangrossman 16y ago

MySpace is WISC and bigger than many of the sites you named.

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tzury 16y ago
apparently, myspace is powered by pimpled faced geeks (see output below [X-PoweredBy]). But that was said as a joke, talking seriously, there is no doubt, the web is powered by the open source software. Most of the major sites, are using the tools which are not made at Redmond. There are however, some large sites which are exceptionally using the WISC stack, but amongst the largest sites, take the top 100, top 1000, you name it, they are the minority. root@clonezilla-srv:~# wget -O- --server-response --spider http://www.myspace.com/ Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists. --2011-02-02 13:25:18-- http://www.myspace.com/ Resolving www.myspace.com... 216.178.39.11 Connecting to www.myspace.com|216.178.39.11|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... HTTP/1.1 200 OK Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate, proxy-revalidate Pragma: no-cache Content-Length: 74124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Expires: -1 Server: Microsoft-IIS/7.5 X-Server: 896c6f7da640823d4508c54f3b48fc12058736fbc4e59bcf Set-Cookie: MSCulture=IP=81.218.172.217&IPCulture=he-IL&PreferredCulture=en-US&PreferredCulturePending=&Country=SUw=&ForcedExpiration=634322139193426057&timeZone=0&myStuffDma=&myStuffMarket=&USRLOC=QXJlYUNvZGU9MCZDaXR5PUtmYXIgU2FiYSZDb3VudHJ5Q29kZT1JTCZDb3VudHJ5TmFtZT1Jc3JhZWwmRG1hQ29kZT0wJkxhdGl0dWRlPTMyLjE4MTcmTG9uZ2l0dWRlPTM0LjkzNTgmUG9zdGFsQ29kZT0mUmVnaW9uTmFtZT0wMiZMb2NhdGlvbklkPTA=&UserFirstVisit=1; domain=.myspace.com; expires=Wed, 09-Feb-2011 11:25:19 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: SessionDDF2=8Q/cYHD2nDXwG4IfpqngrVTCZxMtlFsPs8sS2KKXpeayPKeoIq6z3xJLZvQ7dssRE48xuBfthlzlt6O7FCHJxQ==; domain=.myspace.com; expires=Sun, 02-Feb-2031 11:25:19 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: MYUSERINFO=; domain=.myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: MYUSERINFO=; domain=myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: USER=; domain=.myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: USER=; domain=myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/ Set-Cookie: SECUREUSERAUTH=; domain=.myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/; secure Set-Cookie: SECUREUSERAUTH=; domain=myspace.com; expires=Wed, 19-Jan-2005 08:28:17 GMT; path=/; secure X-AspNet-Version: 4.0.30319 X-PoweredBy: Pimple Faced Geeks Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:25:18 GMT Connection: keep-alive X-Vertical: globalsites Length: 74124 (72K) [text/html] Remote file exists and could contain further links, but recursion is disabled -- not retrieving.

SoftwareMaven 16y ago

The best platform to build on is the one you know inside and out. Spolsky and Atwood are long-time Microsoft developers. I would call them stupid if they hadn't used Microsoft to develop their product with. Personally, I can't imagine doing the scaling, but I don't know the platform at all. SO has obviously figured out how to scale well, though.

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