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IMO Unicode shouldn't have ever added characters with color. Let color be the property of the markup. The original emoji were all monochrome, and mainly display

by Grue3 7y ago

IMO Unicode shouldn't have ever added characters with color. Let color be the property of the markup. The original emoji were all monochrome, and mainly displayed on monochromatic flip-phone screens. The fact that there now exist emoji that are otherwise identical but have different color is absolutely idiotic.

icebraining 7y ago
In Unicode, they're represented by a combination of emoji character + colour character, not by new characters: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/#Diversity http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/#Diversity Seems a decent solution to me. Monochrome screens can just ignore the colour character.
- zyx321 7y ago
  There are at least 7 variations of the heart symbol ️ differing only in color ️🧡, not including the heart (playing card) which also has multiple variations. Edit: apparently HN limits the number of emoji per post, I originally included several. https://emojipedia.org/white-heart/ https://emojipedia.org/white-heart/
  - bhaak 7y ago
    There are 27 variations of the capital letter A in Unicode (see the confusable list https://unicode.org/cldr/utility/confusables.jsp?a=A&r=None https://unicode.org/cldr/utility/confusables.jsp?a=A&r=None). Redundancy has never been a problem with Unicode. After the decision was made to add the symbols of the original encoding to the list of Unicode characters, they had to add all heart variation, otherwise it wouldn't have been able to be backward compatible. Or alternatively add a color modifier? I'm not sure that would have been a better solution.
  - ahakki 7y ago
    > apparently HN limits the number of emoji per post, I originally included several. I am surpeised HN allows any emoji an all. Pretty sure they have been totally banned in the past. It seems like the orange heart is now (or has always been) whitelisted. 🧡🧡🧡
- buckminster 7y ago
  That doesn't add colour to, say, the smiley face, it just changes the colour from the default, usually yellow. As well as adding colour browsers display emoji at a larger point size. It is really annoying when some pre-emoji symbol (like the phases of the moon in TFA) gets emojified and where your document had some discreet use of symbols it now has huge colourful icons drawing the eye. And afaict there is no way of turning off this behaviour globally.
kalleboo 7y ago
> The original emoji were all monochrome Emoji were in color before they were added to Unicode. Even the original iPhone 3G Emoji release pre-dated their addition to Unicode (Apple used the SoftBank encoding). They were even in color on flip phones as far back as 1999 https://emojipedia.org/softbank/1999/ https://emojipedia.org/softbank/1999/

by Grue3 7y ago

icebraining 7y ago

In Unicode, they're represented by a combination of emoji character + colour character, not by new characters: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/#Diversity http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/#Diversity Seems a decent solution to me. Monochrome screens can just ignore the colour character.

zyx321 7y ago
There are at least 7 variations of the heart symbol ️ differing only in color ️🧡, not including the heart (playing card) which also has multiple variations. Edit: apparently HN limits the number of emoji per post, I originally included several. https://emojipedia.org/white-heart/ https://emojipedia.org/white-heart/
- bhaak 7y ago
  There are 27 variations of the capital letter A in Unicode (see the confusable list https://unicode.org/cldr/utility/confusables.jsp?a=A&r=None https://unicode.org/cldr/utility/confusables.jsp?a=A&r=None). Redundancy has never been a problem with Unicode. After the decision was made to add the symbols of the original encoding to the list of Unicode characters, they had to add all heart variation, otherwise it wouldn't have been able to be backward compatible. Or alternatively add a color modifier? I'm not sure that would have been a better solution.
- ahakki 7y ago
  > apparently HN limits the number of emoji per post, I originally included several. I am surpeised HN allows any emoji an all. Pretty sure they have been totally banned in the past. It seems like the orange heart is now (or has always been) whitelisted. 🧡🧡🧡
buckminster 7y ago
That doesn't add colour to, say, the smiley face, it just changes the colour from the default, usually yellow. As well as adding colour browsers display emoji at a larger point size. It is really annoying when some pre-emoji symbol (like the phases of the moon in TFA) gets emojified and where your document had some discreet use of symbols it now has huge colourful icons drawing the eye. And afaict there is no way of turning off this behaviour globally.

kalleboo 7y ago

> The original emoji were all monochrome Emoji were in color before they were added to Unicode. Even the original iPhone 3G Emoji release pre-dated their addition to Unicode (Apple used the SoftBank encoding). They were even in color on flip phones as far back as 1999 https://emojipedia.org/softbank/1999/ https://emojipedia.org/softbank/1999/