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This is great news. Microsoft is adopting/forking Rust. That means Rust will be supported for all eternity.

by zelly 7y ago

klysm 7y ago
It appears to not be an actual fork - the slides say the compiler isn’t implemented
- contextfree 7y ago
  It's just a new, separate research system which has somewhat similar goals to Rust. The headline is basically wrong. There are also Microsoft teams starting to use Rust, e.g., https://msrc-blog.microsoft.com/2019/11/07/using-rust-in-windows/ https://msrc-blog.microsoft.com/2019/11/07/using-rust-in-win...
throwaway2048 7y ago
Or at least Microsoft Visual R++
- ta0185762954 7y ago
  Exactly, for anyone that recalls Visual J++, this should send a shiver down the spine. No, they haven't changed much, yes they do better PR now.
- nirui 7y ago
  That will be very sad if it's the case. One reason of why I'm using Rust is because it's built by a group of people that I like, and Microsoft is not on that list. However, I always keep a open-mind, I mean, I don't see anybody will be hurt if Microsoft become a direct contributor of Rust language itself. In fact, I could like Microsoft a bit if they did invest in Rust. I hope they do that <delete>instead of trying to fork things/build something alike (if that's the case here)</delete> (I watched their intro, their design is different than Rust and I somehow like what they did there).
  - sectiondetail 7y ago
    I'm about as old-school anti-Microsoft as it gets (I had a 4-digit slashdot ID!) but even I have to admit that they've been pretty serious in offering olive branches to the broader open source community in the past decade. I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. If someone had told me ten years ago that my favourite code editing environment on the Linux desktop ten years later would be browser-tech-based, MIT-licensed, and made by Microsoft, I'd have stared at them like they had just grown a second head. But here we are. Interesting times, man.
- johnhenry 7y ago
  R, perhaps?
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SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
Just like Windows on ARM is supported for all of eternity! Or google anything, or any one of a million failed and dead projects. Cool that MS is using something Ruat based. In no way does that opinion lead to a conclusion of ongoing support.
- jsgo 7y ago
  If they’re rewriting Windows core bits with it, that’d seem a fairly strong indicator their involvement with it is serious. That’d be unnecessary technical debt otherwise. Windows on ARM is probably fine. Windows Phone and the like eventually lost (losing? I haven’t kept up) support, but phones are traditionally a 2ish year supported device and then they’re not targeted (specifically in the Android OEM arena). Windows proper they have business clients and if they don’t support it for a reasonable amount of time, Microsoft is basically hosed. It is, I imagine, why once they decided to kill off older IEs everything prior to latest and greatest was killed at the same time: they had supported them for far too long and it required killing them all Off in one move.
jangid 7y ago
It is not like that. C was supported before GCC project also but it was not of any use because it wasn't widely used. Either we need open source alternatives or there must be competition based on open standards.
- dpark 7y ago
  > C was supported before GCC project also but it was not of any use because it wasn't widely used. I’m pretty sure you’ve got your history backwards. GCC was created specifically to fill the need for a free C compiler for GNU. By that time C was already popular by association with Unix.

This is great news. Microsoft is adopting/forking Rust. That means Rust will be supported for all eternity.

by zelly 7y ago

This is great news. Microsoft is adopting/forking Rust. That means Rust will be supported for all eternity.

klysm 7y ago

It appears to not be an actual fork - the slides say the compiler isn’t implemented

contextfree 7y ago
It's just a new, separate research system which has somewhat similar goals to Rust. The headline is basically wrong. There are also Microsoft teams starting to use Rust, e.g., https://msrc-blog.microsoft.com/2019/11/07/using-rust-in-windows/ https://msrc-blog.microsoft.com/2019/11/07/using-rust-in-win...

throwaway2048 7y ago

Or at least Microsoft Visual R++

ta0185762954 7y ago
Exactly, for anyone that recalls Visual J++, this should send a shiver down the spine. No, they haven't changed much, yes they do better PR now.
nirui 7y ago
That will be very sad if it's the case. One reason of why I'm using Rust is because it's built by a group of people that I like, and Microsoft is not on that list. However, I always keep a open-mind, I mean, I don't see anybody will be hurt if Microsoft become a direct contributor of Rust language itself. In fact, I could like Microsoft a bit if they did invest in Rust. I hope they do that <delete>instead of trying to fork things/build something alike (if that's the case here)</delete> (I watched their intro, their design is different than Rust and I somehow like what they did there).
- sectiondetail 7y ago
  I'm about as old-school anti-Microsoft as it gets (I had a 4-digit slashdot ID!) but even I have to admit that they've been pretty serious in offering olive branches to the broader open source community in the past decade. I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. If someone had told me ten years ago that my favourite code editing environment on the Linux desktop ten years later would be browser-tech-based, MIT-licensed, and made by Microsoft, I'd have stared at them like they had just grown a second head. But here we are. Interesting times, man.
johnhenry 7y ago
R, perhaps?

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SlowRobotAhead 7y ago

Just like Windows on ARM is supported for all of eternity! Or google anything, or any one of a million failed and dead projects. Cool that MS is using something Ruat based. In no way does that opinion lead to a conclusion of ongoing support.

jsgo 7y ago
If they’re rewriting Windows core bits with it, that’d seem a fairly strong indicator their involvement with it is serious. That’d be unnecessary technical debt otherwise. Windows on ARM is probably fine. Windows Phone and the like eventually lost (losing? I haven’t kept up) support, but phones are traditionally a 2ish year supported device and then they’re not targeted (specifically in the Android OEM arena). Windows proper they have business clients and if they don’t support it for a reasonable amount of time, Microsoft is basically hosed. It is, I imagine, why once they decided to kill off older IEs everything prior to latest and greatest was killed at the same time: they had supported them for far too long and it required killing them all Off in one move.

jangid 7y ago

It is not like that. C was supported before GCC project also but it was not of any use because it wasn't widely used. Either we need open source alternatives or there must be competition based on open standards.

dpark 7y ago
> C was supported before GCC project also but it was not of any use because it wasn't widely used. I’m pretty sure you’ve got your history backwards. GCC was created specifically to fill the need for a free C compiler for GNU. By that time C was already popular by association with Unix.