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Does anyone else feel that quantum computing via the cloud is sort of the penultimate test of the "-aaS" (as a service) model? I mean, quantum computing is som

• jshaqaw 7y ago
  Hard to say. In 1960 classical computing would have seemed totally centralized and unattainable in distributed form for the masses. Who knows what the future may bring for quantum computing assuming there is actually a Conventional use case for the masses (most people probably don’t have a burning urge to factor primes at home like say playing video games).
  • sixdimensional 7y ago
    I agree. I'm trying to see this through that perspective when we were at that point in the cycle where everything was centralized. I'm wondering if there will ever be a time (or even a reason) for things to go back the other way again. Also, agreed about the use case - sometimes I get the feeling that quantum computing is a problem looking for a solution (but I am sure that must not be the case). That said, I think things are partially that way because quantum computing is just such a different paradigm, so to truly take advantage of it takes a pivot in thinking, but that great dividends may be possible as a result. My thought is, it's kind of like how we learned about what FPGAs could do. Different paradigm, incredible opportunity.
    • core-questions 7y ago
      Privacy, offline access, low latency - these are all excellent use cases for edge computing. Once it's time to do some heavy lifting, though, it makes a lot more sense to centralize. Decentralization gives you control along with responsibility, so the cycle goes something like this: * Decentralized as a part of early development * Centralized for ease of early deployment * Decentralized once it becomes simple / commodity enough that everyone can just have one * Recentralized once it's cheaper to run them all centrally again And then you only break back out once the thing you're doing fundamentally changes for some reason.
• core-questions 7y ago
  > This feels like it has the potential to be the ultimate kind of lock-in. If the way that the system and the hardware/software is exposed to the world is through cloud services, and the knowledge of how to build/operate/use quantum computers stays locked-in to only the privileged who can afford to have access to and utilize it... Well, consider the opposite suggestion: right now, quantum computer access is fairly constrained. Making these systems available to anyone who has a credit card is a wider democratization of access to them, not a constraint. After all, cryogenics and such isn't exactly free or easy to maintain - access is going to be somewhat controlled unless/until these things are to the point where you have one in your phone.
  • sixdimensional 7y ago
    Yes, I agree with your point, I was kind of vacillating back and forth. I think it's incredible that the inventors of this technology are pushing so hard to get it in the hands of people who can apply it. So in that regard, I completely agree, it is a better situation to have the technology available for a reasonable price and payment option. I think part of my hang up of this is thinking about and remembering how much I was amazed by what we could do independently before the cloud vendors. It seems like we are in the part of the cycle that is encouraging centralization, but I don't know how or if we'll ever be able to exit this phase (or maybe we won't have to). The scale and complexity of the offering of the cloud vendors, compared to what independent organizations can do, is truly mind blowing, and continues to get that way moreso every day. How does one even compete (or why would one want to) against these "utility" technology companies?
    • core-questions 7y ago
      Totally agree that there's some loss of control when we allow cloud vendors to be the middlemen in all things; but honestly, this is probably one of the few cases where it's the perfect missing ingredient to be able to give access to what are fundamentally time-sharing systems to the widest number of people possible. This is like dialing up to use the university PDP-11 in the 70s, basically. Big things are coming.
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• sbahr001 7y ago
  Technically, it is similar to what happened with computers today — computers of old where warehouse sizes, in tightly controlled environments. The term debugging was a physical process of actually removing bugs from a computer. Lol. As computers became more affordable/smaller, they showed up in more places and allowed more people to use them. It appears the quantum computers of today are following the traditional evolution of computers. 40 years ago, people were able to rent time from university/business computers similar to what AWS Braket is offering. The reason question for me is what is the "PC" of the quantum realm. What will a quantum computer look like 40 years from now? I can't even imagine what it would look like, or what programing a quantum machine will even look like for the masses(AKA the python/ruby/java/c++, etc).
  • core-questions 7y ago
    It won't hit PC levels until either cryogenics are commodity sized and priced for the home market, or room-temperature superconductors arrive and prove themselves still able to exhibit the Weird Quantum Effects that cold ones have. Look up "Josephson junctions", they're basically the transistors of QC.
    • perl4ever 7y ago
      My ideas are very fuzzy, but when people say that you can't run quantum computations at high temperature because of noise, it reminds me of something I read not too long ago about how scientists are starting to have insight into how biological systems operate in the presence of large amounts of noise from heat. So I wonder if there's a trick to it that nature already has found.
      • core-questions 7y ago
        I'm no scientist but I would be very surprised if the brain is not harnessing similar effects or processes somehow. Consider microtubules, for example.
  • james_s_tayler 7y ago
    Quantum on Rails
• jedberg 7y ago
  > people will look back and see that classical computing spread because it was made accessible and ubiquitous, I don't know if that is true. I mean, it was true eventually, but in the beginning, it was quite limited to only well capitalized businesses. I mean even in the "ubiquitous" period, it wasn't that accessible. In 1984, and IBM PC cost about $5,000 (in 1984 dollars). That would be about $12,300 in today's dollars. Not out of reach for all, but certainly only for the upper-middle-class at best.
• boothby 7y ago
  One of the questions folks tend to ask me is some form of, "when can I expect my cellphone to contain a quantum co-processor?" That gives me an excellent opportunity to tell them everything that I know about cryogenic refrigerators (which only takes a minute). The chips we make (speaking directly of D-Wave, but afaik this is true of all superconducting QC efforts) would cost pennies if we produced them at scale. But the surrounding machinery is extremely complex, and very expensive to manufacture -- and scale would only get you so far. My rough understanding of refrigeration is that the temperature differential strongly depends on the length of the heat exchanger. Qubits are famously sensitive to noise; and blackbody radiation gives an inescapable dependence between noise and temperature. In short, a miniaturized fridge would be necessarily hot, and therefore too noisy to perform quantum computation! So the sad news is that, barring some major developments, we may never have miniature quantum computers. In the foreseeable future, hardware costs will be measured in millions of dollars. So even if you're a millionaire, you probably don't want to buy a quantum computer. If you work for a university, a national laboratory, or a major corporation, you might try to convince your organization to purchase a quantum computer. If you succeed in that pitch, you'd almost certainly need to share it with your colleagues over a network. So to me, an industry insider, it feels that public access to quantum computing is almost necessarily QCaaS.
  • darkerside 7y ago
    Maybe something a tiny little black hole could fix?
  • LilBytes 7y ago
    I wonder if we had the same perspectives when comptuers were first established in the 50's/60's. We couldn't possible foresee how these monster of a machines could possible fit in the palm of our hands and yet, now, it's hard to see how we couldn't see that far in front of us. We had this famous quote from IBM but, I wonder if as an industry this was a common perspective. Or wether between those who were building these machines could foresee where we'd be now? Is there some one in Quantum Computing who has the intelligence and creativity to think, nah, we'll have giant refrigerated quantum computing mobile phones in 5x decades time (I understand Quantum Computers wouldn't make great phones I'm just drawing baseless comparisons :) ) "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." Thomas Watson, president of IBM, 1943 = = = = I only found out about wolframalpha a month ago and I'm still in awe of it. Quantum computing as a service? No idea what I'm going to want to do with it. But I re-watch this video by Veritasium and Andrea Morello from UNSW a couple of times a year to just remind myself how much I don't know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auha-gXTiqU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auha-gXTiqU
• gregdunn 7y ago
  Disclaimer: I work at AWS, but this post isn't being made in any sort of official capacity, I have no relation to the team in question (this is the first I've even heard of the service), and the opinions here are entirely my own and not necessarily a reflection of that of my employer. > I wonder what kind of future this spells for quantum computing - will it continue to spread or will it be limited/stunted by being controlled by only the few? I feel like this is a step in the right direction, though. Right now using quantum computers is totally outside of the realm of possibility for the vast majority of people - they're simply too expensive in materials cost, expertise to create, conditions for operation, etc. etc. etc. - without services like this one. The only chance an "everyday" person has to try out a quantum computer is to rent time on someone's else's. I don't think at a similar point in the life of classical computers we had options like this that were readily available - you could rent time on the computers, but I can't imagine that getting access to them was as easy as it will be today with the internet being a thing and service providers offering high granularity on billing. My understanding (and I'm not even remotely an expert, so I could be totally off base here!) is that it's an open question on whether or not quantum computing will ever even be doable in environments where classical computing works - it might not be within the realm of what physics allows for it ever to be possible to have a quantum computer powered smartphone. I hope access is ubiquitous someday for people, but in general I feel like this is a good step while that's not practical.
  • buboard 7y ago
    > an "everyday" person has to try out a quantum computer what would an everyday person do on a qc?
    • core-questions 7y ago
      Well, practical QC seems to be involved with optimization problems. D-Wave recently demonstrated doing something with bus routing for Volkswagen. I could imagine, say, a map service scaling that out by integrating QC into their route-finding for drivers to cooperatively improve traffic flow by finding optimal solutions to problems of a scale that is intractable with classical systems. The everyday person will use QC like they "use" machine learning today: from a very high level abstract viewpoint, where services they consume have a little bit of intelligence that makes interacting with them more efficient.
• buboard 7y ago
  It's an invitation from amazon to quantum computer makers to show their tech's potential. in the end they 'll buy the winner and the others will fail. They'll also have first dibs in case someone comes up with another useful quantum algorithm in their cloud. it feels like a defensive land grab of sorts (like neuromorphic computing) Amazon seems to be going -aas on anything ... but how long can this last? Despite computing hardware evolution having slowed, it hasn't halted , and eventually robust hardware will become cheap enough for competitors to commoditize servers once again (as should be the normal)
  • core-questions 7y ago
    This is a reasonable take. Consider that IBM, Microsoft, and Google - the credible cloud competitors to AWS - all have their own in-house QC efforts. AWS is outsourcing theirs... they make it sound like it's going to be a marketplace model, but you're right, if/once the profit motive is in place they'll snap up the supplier. Of course, if nothing productive materializes, they're also out nothing. Sort of a win-win for them. The question I have is whether we'll see things like SageMaker and other higher level machine learning features use the quantum computers on the back end.
• blihp 7y ago
  We had 3-4 decades (40's-70's) of 'lock in' when conventional computers were essentially 'big iron' that only large organizations had access to. If quantum computing ends up having useful general purpose applications, I'd expect it to start going down market once some combination of the implementation issues have been worked out, the big/easy money has been mined from government/corporate customers and patents expire.