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> Comments like this look absolutely insane to anyone outside the US No, it looks insane to the 6 countries mentioned in your article that have significantly l

by sdinsn 7y ago

> Comments like this look absolutely insane to anyone outside the US No, it looks insane to the 6 countries mentioned in your article that have significantly less schools shootings. The other 188 countries in the world are purposely not discussed, since many of them have extremely high violent crime rates despite restrictive gun control laws...

soraminazuki 7y ago
That's only because most countries lack the resources to actually enforce gun control laws, not because they're ineffective. It's more likely that economic wealth and effective gun control reduces violence, instead of intrusive mass surveillance.
ajuc 7y ago
USA has 12.21 gun-related deaths per 100,000 population per year. It's 10th highest in the world, and all the countries higher up aren't considered developed. 19th highest in the world is Argentina and it has less than half the deaths US has. In top 30 there are countries with less than 1/4th the deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...
- tinalumfoil 7y ago
  The US homicide rate is the 94th globally [0]. Looking at "gun related deaths" is misleading because it includes suicides, which in the US is very high. The vast majority die from disease so if the goal is to prevent premature death a marginal improvement to US healthcare system would save far more people than whatever this high school surveillance state is trying to accomplish. That's not a reason not to implement these policies but infringing on privacy, which should be considered a fundamental right, for an at best insignificant decrease in the homicide rate is. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intenti...
  - ajuc 7y ago
    > it includes suicides, which in the US is very high I wonder why :) Have you considered the possibility that easy access to guns make suicides more common?
- sdinsn 7y ago
  > 12.21 gun-related deaths Which includes suicides & accidents. It also ignores the overall homicide rate, which is much more important. Do dead people care whether they are murdered with a gun or a knife?
  - ajuc 7y ago
    > suicides & accidents. Which are more common when the access to guns is easier. > Do dead people care whether they are murdered with a gun or a knife? Deaths caused by guns are easily preventable. Why not prevent them?
    - sdinsn 7y ago
      > Which are more common when the access to guns is easier. Again, you are ignoring all the countries that have strict gun control laws and still have high rates of suicides. > Deaths caused by guns are easily preventable They clearly aren't, since there is no correlation between gun control laws and homicides.

by sdinsn 7y ago

soraminazuki 7y ago

That's only because most countries lack the resources to actually enforce gun control laws, not because they're ineffective. It's more likely that economic wealth and effective gun control reduces violence, instead of intrusive mass surveillance.

ajuc 7y ago

USA has 12.21 gun-related deaths per 100,000 population per year. It's 10th highest in the world, and all the countries higher up aren't considered developed. 19th highest in the world is Argentina and it has less than half the deaths US has. In top 30 there are countries with less than 1/4th the deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...

tinalumfoil 7y ago
The US homicide rate is the 94th globally [0]. Looking at "gun related deaths" is misleading because it includes suicides, which in the US is very high. The vast majority die from disease so if the goal is to prevent premature death a marginal improvement to US healthcare system would save far more people than whatever this high school surveillance state is trying to accomplish. That's not a reason not to implement these policies but infringing on privacy, which should be considered a fundamental right, for an at best insignificant decrease in the homicide rate is. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intenti...
- ajuc 7y ago
  > it includes suicides, which in the US is very high I wonder why :) Have you considered the possibility that easy access to guns make suicides more common?
sdinsn 7y ago
> 12.21 gun-related deaths Which includes suicides & accidents. It also ignores the overall homicide rate, which is much more important. Do dead people care whether they are murdered with a gun or a knife?
- ajuc 7y ago
  > suicides & accidents. Which are more common when the access to guns is easier. > Do dead people care whether they are murdered with a gun or a knife? Deaths caused by guns are easily preventable. Why not prevent them?
  - sdinsn 7y ago
    > Which are more common when the access to guns is easier. Again, you are ignoring all the countries that have strict gun control laws and still have high rates of suicides. > Deaths caused by guns are easily preventable They clearly aren't, since there is no correlation between gun control laws and homicides.