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”I've read all of the founders' blog posts now and I'm convinced they've packed every anti-pattern they could find into this startup .... they [list their value
by _pius 7y ago
”I've read all of the founders' blog posts now and I'm convinced they've packed every anti-pattern they could find into this startup .... they [list their values] ... yet there’s essentially nothing about what the product is.”
Imagine you and your friends excitedly announcing on your personal homepages that you are setting out to build your passion project into a going concern “not driven by power or greed, but by accomplishment and self-fulfillment” [1] and being flooded in a community of supposed hackers with derision that your post wasn’t a good enough press release.
For some people, the actual human excitement of friends earnestly getting together to build something new primarily because they want to see it in the world is so foreign that they can only snark about it.
Hopefully that kind of response vindicates their values more than it demoralizes.
[1]: https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/new-golden-age-of-building-with-soul/ https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/new-golden-age-of-building-wi...
- malvosenior 7y agoVaporware has been looked down upon in our industry for decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware Until you have a product, there's nothing to talk about. Plenty of teams that seem good end up producing nothing. Announcements like this are a huge red flag to people who have seen this pattern many times over.
- _pius 7y agoUntil you have a product, there's nothing to talk about. Yeah ... if you’re a marketer. People who actually make stuff are allowed to be excited about what they‘ve been working on in their garages and get to tell people more about it on their own schedules. They don’t owe you a feature comparison table every time they talk about their project. In fact, they don’t owe you anything at all.
- malvosenior 7y agoWell, if they want me to build a business on their product then yes, they owe me an explanation as to why I'd do such a thing. As this announcement stands, I wouldn't trust them to focus on the customer first and hence won't be using what they build.
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- _pius 7y agoAs this announcement stands, I ... won't be using what they build. Considering you literally haven’t been told — let alone allowed to use — what they’ve built, that sounds like a reasonable prior.
- malvosenior 7y agoWhen I use products for business I expect some level of professionalism. It's way too easy to get hung out to dry with a critical piece of infrastructure and a dead company behind it. What they've done here with the vaporware and vanity posts is a classic misstep. It's not product or customer centered, the two things you absolutely must be to succeed in the enterprise world.
- jiofih 7y agoYou can’t be serious. Their announcing their new venture in their personal blogs, not giving you a sales pitch. Try to be less self-centered?
- malvosenior 7y agoThis is literally the company blog that we're commenting on, not their personal blog. There's also 3 posts on the HN front page about this same topic and not one of them has any substance. So yes, I'm going to stick with my decades of experience and say they're producing red flags far faster than they're producing product.
- jiofih 7y agoI’m sure your indignation can be better used somewhere else, other than commenting at length on something you’re not interested at all.