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They are already monitoring the chat apps. If you say unseemly things, expect this: https://twitter.com/intypython/status/1200466904734785536?s=21 https://twitt

They are already monitoring the chat apps. If you say unseemly things, expect this: https://twitter.com/intypython/status/1200466904734785536?s=21 https://twitter.com/intypython/status/1200466904734785536?s=... Edit: changed link to original source

aldoushuxley001 7y ago
Your video is what I expected it to be, but I didn’t think it was going to be that bad. This is the cultural revolution all over again
analyst74 7y ago
This looks horrible, is it confirmed to be true? Why would HK police release video like that, I imagine they would like to keep the interrogations and tortures under the radar?
- CharlesColeman 7y ago
  > Why would HK police release video like that I get the impression that the video is from the mainland, not Hong Kong. The device he's strapped in looks like a "tiger chair": https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/tiger-chair-sick-torture-tactics-in-chinese-prisons/news-story/c6681dd9adc7a45ac7681d18d5af5816 https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/tiger-chair-sick-torture-... Edit: I was looking for a better version of this video on youtube. I couldn't find one, but I did find this English Agence France-Presse story that answers the question of why they'd release a video like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8PgCUap1Vg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8PgCUap1Vg
- bryanrasmussen 7y ago
  The problem with releasing a video is the outrage it provokes. The benefit of releasing a video is the fear it provokes. Not saying this is the case here, but obviously if you calculate outrage cannot grow substantially greater than it already is, might as well try provoking some fear. Of course it might very well be false, this is just my idea as to why someone might release it if real.
CWuestefeld 7y ago
My wife has had a few messages "disappear" from WeChat (the Chinese Facebook), and that were not removed by group admins. It seems that at the low end, at least, they're content do just censor, and not take action against the speaker.
- radicsge 7y ago
  Might also depends on the region. Richer regions like Shanghai might have softer rules same as for VPNs.
- CharlesColeman 7y ago
  > My wife has had a few messages "disappear" from WeChat (the Chinese Facebook), and that were not removed by group admins. It seems that at the low end, at least, they're content do just censor, and not take action against the speaker. Is she in China or overseas? WeChat has different censorship policies for domestic vs foreign accounts, and silent blocking sometimes occurs when foreign accounts communicate with domestic accounts about sensitive topics [1]. It's also not encrypted, and it appears messages are automatically getting forwarded to the local (Chinese) police for investigation [2]. [1] We (can’t) Chat “709 Crackdown” Discussions Blocked on Weibo and WeChat: https://citizenlab.ca/2017/04/we-cant-chat-709-crackdown-discussions-blocked-on-weibo-and-wechat/ https://citizenlab.ca/2017/04/we-cant-chat-709-crackdown-dis... [2] Over 300 million Chinese private messages were left exposed online: https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/4/18250474/chinese-messages-millions-wechat-qq-yy-data-breach-police https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/4/18250474/chinese-messages-...
  - CWuestefeld 7y ago
    Is she in China or overseas? WeChat has different censorship policies for domestic vs foreign accounts Fair enough. This was with an account that was registered within China, but the traffic is physically originating from the USA.
no_opinions 7y ago
From that twitter account, a Xinjiang related bill is up for vote this week (https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/178 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/178) https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191202/BILLS-116s178-SUS.pdf https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191202/BILLS-116s178-... With all this laser focus on HK / Xinjiang / Tibet something is bound to come up. If they cut the losses by giving independence, maybe leaders would avoid ICC-esque indictments from all this mess. Maybe it'd be worth allowing anonymous mandatory polling on policies, that way it's not capitulating to external influences and getting a handle of what people are thinking. But then maybe it's just better to monitor wechat and QQ. But since people feel their stuffs being read, they'll tone down the rhetoric and "behave good" and feign ignorance. A meaningful way of gauging public opinion is now tainted, so much for that. Now there will pockets of people silently stirring in contempt. The usual suspects and instigators won't be the ones to worry about. It's just too much to handle. And besides all the while we're daydreaming scenarios China can remain unified, people would feel very strained and be suffering. Where do we draw the line between people's feelings and stubborn pride trying to force far flung regions into submission? Maybe it's best to reframe things into what makes society happiest, easiest to manage, and invent a leadership and organizational structure based on those premises. That'd be the most Chinese thing to do. If China ever has a prolonged economic downturn and stricter sanctions, what happens then? What moves are left?
rambojazz 7y ago
Is this serious? I don't understand if it is a joke.
asdff 7y ago
Is this even real? Subtitled interrogation video uploaded by an inflammatory twitter account where the line of questioning sounds more like disciplining a toddler than actual police?

aldoushuxley001 7y ago

Your video is what I expected it to be, but I didn’t think it was going to be that bad. This is the cultural revolution all over again

analyst74 7y ago

This looks horrible, is it confirmed to be true? Why would HK police release video like that, I imagine they would like to keep the interrogations and tortures under the radar?

CharlesColeman 7y ago
> Why would HK police release video like that I get the impression that the video is from the mainland, not Hong Kong. The device he's strapped in looks like a "tiger chair": https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/tiger-chair-sick-torture-tactics-in-chinese-prisons/news-story/c6681dd9adc7a45ac7681d18d5af5816 https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/tiger-chair-sick-torture-... Edit: I was looking for a better version of this video on youtube. I couldn't find one, but I did find this English Agence France-Presse story that answers the question of why they'd release a video like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8PgCUap1Vg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8PgCUap1Vg
bryanrasmussen 7y ago
The problem with releasing a video is the outrage it provokes. The benefit of releasing a video is the fear it provokes. Not saying this is the case here, but obviously if you calculate outrage cannot grow substantially greater than it already is, might as well try provoking some fear. Of course it might very well be false, this is just my idea as to why someone might release it if real.

CWuestefeld 7y ago

My wife has had a few messages "disappear" from WeChat (the Chinese Facebook), and that were not removed by group admins. It seems that at the low end, at least, they're content do just censor, and not take action against the speaker.

radicsge 7y ago
Might also depends on the region. Richer regions like Shanghai might have softer rules same as for VPNs.
CharlesColeman 7y ago
> My wife has had a few messages "disappear" from WeChat (the Chinese Facebook), and that were not removed by group admins. It seems that at the low end, at least, they're content do just censor, and not take action against the speaker. Is she in China or overseas? WeChat has different censorship policies for domestic vs foreign accounts, and silent blocking sometimes occurs when foreign accounts communicate with domestic accounts about sensitive topics [1]. It's also not encrypted, and it appears messages are automatically getting forwarded to the local (Chinese) police for investigation [2]. [1] We (can’t) Chat “709 Crackdown” Discussions Blocked on Weibo and WeChat: https://citizenlab.ca/2017/04/we-cant-chat-709-crackdown-discussions-blocked-on-weibo-and-wechat/ https://citizenlab.ca/2017/04/we-cant-chat-709-crackdown-dis... [2] Over 300 million Chinese private messages were left exposed online: https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/4/18250474/chinese-messages-millions-wechat-qq-yy-data-breach-police https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/4/18250474/chinese-messages-...
- CWuestefeld 7y ago
  Is she in China or overseas? WeChat has different censorship policies for domestic vs foreign accounts Fair enough. This was with an account that was registered within China, but the traffic is physically originating from the USA.

no_opinions 7y ago

From that twitter account, a Xinjiang related bill is up for vote this week (https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/178 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/178) https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191202/BILLS-116s178-SUS.pdf https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191202/BILLS-116s178-... With all this laser focus on HK / Xinjiang / Tibet something is bound to come up. If they cut the losses by giving independence, maybe leaders would avoid ICC-esque indictments from all this mess. Maybe it'd be worth allowing anonymous mandatory polling on policies, that way it's not capitulating to external influences and getting a handle of what people are thinking. But then maybe it's just better to monitor wechat and QQ. But since people feel their stuffs being read, they'll tone down the rhetoric and "behave good" and feign ignorance. A meaningful way of gauging public opinion is now tainted, so much for that. Now there will pockets of people silently stirring in contempt. The usual suspects and instigators won't be the ones to worry about. It's just too much to handle. And besides all the while we're daydreaming scenarios China can remain unified, people would feel very strained and be suffering. Where do we draw the line between people's feelings and stubborn pride trying to force far flung regions into submission? Maybe it's best to reframe things into what makes society happiest, easiest to manage, and invent a leadership and organizational structure based on those premises. That'd be the most Chinese thing to do. If China ever has a prolonged economic downturn and stricter sanctions, what happens then? What moves are left?

rambojazz 7y ago

Is this serious? I don't understand if it is a joke.

asdff 7y ago

Is this even real? Subtitled interrogation video uploaded by an inflammatory twitter account where the line of questioning sounds more like disciplining a toddler than actual police?