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My summary: 1. They believe there will be a shift back to on-prem, due to cost, improved security & latency. 2. They can take commodity hardware designs ( Ope

My summary: 1. They believe there will be a shift back to on-prem, due to cost, improved security & latency. 2. They can take commodity hardware designs ( Open Compute Project ) and add their own software for manageability. 3. They are big on values, because in the past Bryan got a bit of a rep for being a bit hard to work with. ( eg https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2016/10/22/why-i-wont-be-attending-systems-we-love/ https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2016/10/22/why-i-wont-be-atte... ) 1. I'm seeing this in big companies - cloud can be an expensive option if you are generating your own data on-prem. While the economics might change, security and latency issues won't so easily. Also cloud is a big risk in that realistically what is your migration cost to another provider? If that's high, that's how much your cloud vendor can gouge you before you move ( I like to call that the Oracle business model ). 2. Don't know about the hardware, but those guys have a track record on systems software and Bryan was involved in building similar stuff before in the storage space ( http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/zfs-storage-family-ds-173093.pdf http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/zfs-storag... ) 3. He is definitely older, perhaps he is wiser.

buryat 7y ago
that's pretty bold idea that there'll be a significant shift back to on-prem given that companies are still migrating into the cloud and the overall cloud market is predicted to continue growing, but we'll see https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2019-04-02-gartner-forecasts-worldwide-public-cloud-revenue-to-g https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2019-04-0...
- mpweiher 7y ago
  Skate to where the puck will be.
- bryanrasmussen 7y ago
  I remember Gartner being real big on SOAP and Web Services, I was an early REST convert, about 5 years after my conversion Gartner came to the government agency were I was working and made one of the guys in charge of lots of SOAP based initiatives cry by flatly announcing that SOAP had lost and REST had won. It was 5 years of Yes SOAP until suddenly it wasn't anymore. So as the other commenter said skate to where the puck is going to be - and don't rely on Gartner for puck location trends.
mpweiher 7y ago
> They are big on values, because in the past Bryan got a bit of a rep for being a bit hard to work with That's a bold claim. What I've seen in his talks is that he has always been big on values, for example he's been espousing the Sun values that they use here for quite some time, and he has also been very critical of companies with lousy values. Don't know him personally.
- DrScientist 7y ago
  > and he has also been very critical Exactly. very critical - what if the thing he was being very critical about was you? Read the linked post I sent. ie it's not about the big ideas 'don't do evil' it's about whether he was hard work personally. As I said he seems to have recognized that. BTW I don't know him personally either.
  - mpweiher 7y ago
    > what if the thing he was being very critical about was you? I probably wouldn't like it. So? To evaluate the situation, we would have to know what he was being critical of. For example, his take-down of Uber's "corporate values" was brutal, funny and IMHO fully justified. > Read the linked post I sent. I did read the blog post you sent. Had actually read it before. It didn't gain any substance on second reading, unsubstantiated accusations of...what exactly? Not making the poster feel as warmly cuddled as they want to feel. So while I probably don't agree with the poster even if things were exactly as she describes, we are not given any actual real situations to evaluate whether that it actually is the case. And I've never seen him take down people, except Larry Ellison, maybe, only code, technology, See: Egoless Programming, or "You are not your code". I have worked in many different environments, and in the end the ones that were of the "cuddling" kind, particularly when self-proclaimed were the highly toxic ones, whereas the ones with the refreshing-sometines-verging-on-brutal candour were the healthy ones. So while I also don't know the poster you referred to, to me it is those people that are turning this industry toxic.
    - DrScientist 7y ago
rst 7y ago
Cantrill's blog post explicitly references the Open Compute Project's base designs -- which are Facebook's published versions of the design they use for their own on-prem servers and network. They seem to be dropping lots of hints about wanting to add manageability features on top of that, which might come with hardware tweaks of one kind or another, but having proven designs to start with at least mitigates the risks on that side of the project. More on OCP here: https://www.opencompute.org/ https://www.opencompute.org/

buryat 7y ago

that's pretty bold idea that there'll be a significant shift back to on-prem given that companies are still migrating into the cloud and the overall cloud market is predicted to continue growing, but we'll see https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2019-04-02-gartner-forecasts-worldwide-public-cloud-revenue-to-g https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2019-04-0...

mpweiher 7y ago
Skate to where the puck will be.
bryanrasmussen 7y ago
I remember Gartner being real big on SOAP and Web Services, I was an early REST convert, about 5 years after my conversion Gartner came to the government agency were I was working and made one of the guys in charge of lots of SOAP based initiatives cry by flatly announcing that SOAP had lost and REST had won. It was 5 years of Yes SOAP until suddenly it wasn't anymore. So as the other commenter said skate to where the puck is going to be - and don't rely on Gartner for puck location trends.

mpweiher 7y ago

> They are big on values, because in the past Bryan got a bit of a rep for being a bit hard to work with That's a bold claim. What I've seen in his talks is that he has always been big on values, for example he's been espousing the Sun values that they use here for quite some time, and he has also been very critical of companies with lousy values. Don't know him personally.

DrScientist 7y ago
> and he has also been very critical Exactly. very critical - what if the thing he was being very critical about was you? Read the linked post I sent. ie it's not about the big ideas 'don't do evil' it's about whether he was hard work personally. As I said he seems to have recognized that. BTW I don't know him personally either.
- mpweiher 7y ago
  > what if the thing he was being very critical about was you? I probably wouldn't like it. So? To evaluate the situation, we would have to know what he was being critical of. For example, his take-down of Uber's "corporate values" was brutal, funny and IMHO fully justified. > Read the linked post I sent. I did read the blog post you sent. Had actually read it before. It didn't gain any substance on second reading, unsubstantiated accusations of...what exactly? Not making the poster feel as warmly cuddled as they want to feel. So while I probably don't agree with the poster even if things were exactly as she describes, we are not given any actual real situations to evaluate whether that it actually is the case. And I've never seen him take down people, except Larry Ellison, maybe, only code, technology, See: Egoless Programming, or "You are not your code". I have worked in many different environments, and in the end the ones that were of the "cuddling" kind, particularly when self-proclaimed were the highly toxic ones, whereas the ones with the refreshing-sometines-verging-on-brutal candour were the healthy ones. So while I also don't know the poster you referred to, to me it is those people that are turning this industry toxic.
  - DrScientist 7y ago

rst 7y ago

Cantrill's blog post explicitly references the Open Compute Project's base designs -- which are Facebook's published versions of the design they use for their own on-prem servers and network. They seem to be dropping lots of hints about wanting to add manageability features on top of that, which might come with hardware tweaks of one kind or another, but having proven designs to start with at least mitigates the risks on that side of the project. More on OCP here: https://www.opencompute.org/ https://www.opencompute.org/