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Google's outrage seems silly to me. They made a fortune harvesting other people's judgments on relevant webpages. That's what PageRank is. So Microsoft takes

Google's outrage seems silly to me. They made a fortune harvesting other people's judgments on relevant webpages. That's what PageRank is. So Microsoft takes their search results - it's all in the game! And Google wrote the rules!

jacques_chester 16y ago
Well gosh, developing ever more elaborate versions of the algorithm must have cost them tens, maybe hundreds, of millions of dollars over the years. How the hell are they supposed to cover that kind of expense with just billions of dollars per quarter?
user24 16y ago
and take a look at inline dictionary definitions, page previews, images - the entire business is based on 'copying' other people's info. My question was genuine - what are you thinking, google?
luigi 16y ago
But this is a matter of core functionality. Bing should not be using clickstream data from Google searches as a signal. The core offering of Google search is getting used by its competitor, without any citation. Yes, it's a side effect of the Bing bar's clickstream tracking, but it's still an observable, quantifiable effect. It’s like if Developer A takes Developer B's code and passes it off as his own work without any citation. Does it matter if it was malicious or incidental? Not really, it's still wrong. And if Developer A gets caught doing it, he should own up to his mistake and fix it.
- neutronicus 16y ago
  The way I see it, it's like if B builds entire applications by pasting snippets from Stack Overflow without citation, and then pitches a holy fit upon realizing that one of his/her amalgamations of Stack Overflow snippets has in turn been cut and pasted. The boundary just seems arbitrary to me, which makes the whole thing seem hypocritical.
- itsnotvalid 16y ago
  How so? Bing didn't steal any code from Google tocreate this. It can only up to be saying A uses B's site responses and put them into their results, with like 8% of the time.
- bonch 16y ago
  "Bing should not be using clickstream data from Google searches as a signal." Why not?

jacques_chester 16y ago

Well gosh, developing ever more elaborate versions of the algorithm must have cost them tens, maybe hundreds, of millions of dollars over the years. How the hell are they supposed to cover that kind of expense with just billions of dollars per quarter?

user24 16y ago

and take a look at inline dictionary definitions, page previews, images - the entire business is based on 'copying' other people's info. My question was genuine - what are you thinking, google?

luigi 16y ago

But this is a matter of core functionality. Bing should not be using clickstream data from Google searches as a signal. The core offering of Google search is getting used by its competitor, without any citation. Yes, it's a side effect of the Bing bar's clickstream tracking, but it's still an observable, quantifiable effect. It’s like if Developer A takes Developer B's code and passes it off as his own work without any citation. Does it matter if it was malicious or incidental? Not really, it's still wrong. And if Developer A gets caught doing it, he should own up to his mistake and fix it.

neutronicus 16y ago
The way I see it, it's like if B builds entire applications by pasting snippets from Stack Overflow without citation, and then pitches a holy fit upon realizing that one of his/her amalgamations of Stack Overflow snippets has in turn been cut and pasted. The boundary just seems arbitrary to me, which makes the whole thing seem hypocritical.
itsnotvalid 16y ago
How so? Bing didn't steal any code from Google tocreate this. It can only up to be saying A uses B's site responses and put them into their results, with like 8% of the time.
bonch 16y ago
"Bing should not be using clickstream data from Google searches as a signal." Why not?