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Argh, they couldn't just contribute to the existing project.

• kasperni 7y ago
  Argh, you couldn't just take the time to read the actual article. "The ownership model in Verona is based on groups of objects, not like in Rust where it's based on a single object.
  • _bxg1 7y ago
    I did read that. So it's not a straight clone, but still, Rust has enough of an uphill battle as it is to reach wide adoption, without having its target market fragmented. So I would've been excited to see Microsoft embracing it instead of building a competitor. Not that I can necessarily judge them for that, but it's still disappointing.
    • rat9988 7y ago
      Having rust as the only low level language with ownership concept isn't ideal either.
      • _bxg1 7y ago
        Sure, it's just that right now it's trying to bootstrap that category in the first place
        • gtirloni 7y ago
          I understand the frustration but this is from Microsoft Research. There is a long way before they validate the concept (or not). If you're looking for a memory-safe language today or in the next couple of years, I don't think anybody will ditch Rust for Verona.
          • _bxg1 7y ago
            Fair enough
      • phkahler 7y ago
        >> Having rust as the only low level language with ownership concept isn't ideal either. I dont agree. Proliferation of languages has it's down side. Very few are self hosting, with most being built with C++. Rust is a safe C++ replacement. We dont need a bunch of those.
      • nwallin 7y ago
        Not ideal isn't necessarily worse. It is objectively worse for there to be two such languages, one of which is poorly funded and the other funded by Microsoft than have one such language that is cross platform. Also the Java oxygen is sucked out of the room by C#. All the OCaml oxygen is sucked out of the room by F#. A world where all the rust oxygen is sucked out of the room by R# and tied to the windows ecosystem is a bad one. They've tried this shit with a dozen other languages and besides C# being better than Java, (even though the .NET ecosystem sucks) it's always ended terribly. C++/CLR, IronPython, IronRuby, J#, etc. Having your tech embraced by Microsoft is the kiss of death.
        • pjmlp 7y ago
          Until C# runs in half of the platforms that Java does, there is hardly any oxygen to suck.
        • xhroot 7y ago
          > IronPython, IronRuby "IronRust" would be amusing
• steveklabnik 7y ago
  Microsoft already contributes to the Rust project; for example, Azure sponsors our CI.
  • techntoke 7y ago
    Lol, they host our data so therefore they contribute. That is some next level Stockholm Syndrome.
    • dralley 7y ago
      They're not "hosting the data" they're donating hundreds of CPU cores and infrastructure.
      • techntoke 7y ago
        So does GitLab and it actually has an open source version.
    • steveklabnik 7y ago
      We use a lot of CI; those resources are not cheap. And it is central to the way we develop the language, so it really really matters. (And this is just the most obvious and clear way that they support Rust, it’s not limited to that.)