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Still living in the 2000s, I see.

by alimbada 7y ago

ahartmetz 7y ago
The penalty for trusting a stranger who shouldn't be trusted is much higher than the other way around.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  In the world of for profit corporations I rather trust MS than any of the FAANG.
  - pnw_hazor 7y ago
    Me too. Mighty strange times indeed.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - rumanator 7y ago
    > than any of the FAANG. That bar is set very low, to be honest. On the bright side, Rust is a Mozilla project thus thankfully the problem doesn't really apply.
  - bragh 7y ago
    I think the amount of trust depends on the team and what they are supposed to deliver. For example, I think that VS Code and Power BI teams can be trusted to have monthly updates that improve the product. But on the other hand, I am never able to trust MS on shipping any language features, as I got burnt so hard by .NET Core 1.0 and F# tooling in VS2017.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      I have always seemed them as political wars between WinDev and DevTools. Google is much worse regarding Android development. They reboot frameworks faster than MS, each IO the set of best practices is completely new, when something is finally working alright they come with the new one around the corner, I guess it was required the pressure of game developers to finally start having a more polished NDK. Three teams competing for the mobile OS (ChromeOS, Android, Flutter), with a fourth one not clear what is coming out of it. A Java subset nowadays cherry picked from OpenJDK, still most likely never to go beyond Java 8 and whatever they are able to desugar into what ART is capable of. And I bet that if it wasn't for Flutter's uptake, JetPack Composer would never had happened.
  - carty76ers 7y ago
    Why? I don’t trust F and G but the others are better than M to me.. Netflix has produced tons of widely used open source products for example...
hordeallergy 7y ago
Have you used windows recently? It sounds like you have. I installed it last week for the first time in ten-ish years - afraid I have to describe it as disgusting and completely undoing all the supposedly open work pr they've been getting. I'm on the phone so can't rant, but the install was endless info requests, some sneaky eg can we have your location, no, would you like us to find your device if stolen, erm. Open the browser, news thumbnails riddled with adverts. The timeline, extend beyond 30 days by giving us info. On and on. Sorry, they looked as though they had changed direction, but that surface laptop now runs Linux.
AnimalMuppet 7y ago
Well, you know, we still are in the 2000s. Maybe when we hit the 3000s, we'll all trust MS.

Still living in the 2000s, I see.

ahartmetz 7y ago

The penalty for trusting a stranger who shouldn't be trusted is much higher than the other way around.

pjmlp 7y ago
In the world of for profit corporations I rather trust MS than any of the FAANG.
- pnw_hazor 7y ago
  Me too. Mighty strange times indeed.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- rumanator 7y ago
  > than any of the FAANG. That bar is set very low, to be honest. On the bright side, Rust is a Mozilla project thus thankfully the problem doesn't really apply.
- bragh 7y ago
  I think the amount of trust depends on the team and what they are supposed to deliver. For example, I think that VS Code and Power BI teams can be trusted to have monthly updates that improve the product. But on the other hand, I am never able to trust MS on shipping any language features, as I got burnt so hard by .NET Core 1.0 and F# tooling in VS2017.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    I have always seemed them as political wars between WinDev and DevTools. Google is much worse regarding Android development. They reboot frameworks faster than MS, each IO the set of best practices is completely new, when something is finally working alright they come with the new one around the corner, I guess it was required the pressure of game developers to finally start having a more polished NDK. Three teams competing for the mobile OS (ChromeOS, Android, Flutter), with a fourth one not clear what is coming out of it. A Java subset nowadays cherry picked from OpenJDK, still most likely never to go beyond Java 8 and whatever they are able to desugar into what ART is capable of. And I bet that if it wasn't for Flutter's uptake, JetPack Composer would never had happened.
- carty76ers 7y ago
  Why? I don’t trust F and G but the others are better than M to me.. Netflix has produced tons of widely used open source products for example...

hordeallergy 7y ago

Have you used windows recently? It sounds like you have. I installed it last week for the first time in ten-ish years - afraid I have to describe it as disgusting and completely undoing all the supposedly open work pr they've been getting. I'm on the phone so can't rant, but the install was endless info requests, some sneaky eg can we have your location, no, would you like us to find your device if stolen, erm. Open the browser, news thumbnails riddled with adverts. The timeline, extend beyond 30 days by giving us info. On and on. Sorry, they looked as though they had changed direction, but that surface laptop now runs Linux.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

Well, you know, we still are in the 2000s. Maybe when we hit the 3000s, we'll all trust MS.