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ApostropheCMS – An Open-Source Node.js CMS for the Enterprise

91 points by rmbryan 7y ago

rmbryan 7y ago
Specifically of interest: https://docs.apostrophecms.org/apostrophe/core-concepts/technical-overview https://docs.apostrophecms.org/apostrophe/core-concepts/tech...
hbcondo714 7y ago
This may not be geared towards the enterprise, but I would like to see a CMS that provides content monetization and paid memberships as a native feature. Ghost recently announced their latest version[1] with Stripe integration and has paid memberships[2] in beta. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21322712 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21322712 [2]https://ghost.org/members/ https://ghost.org/members/
- deleted 7y ago
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- baenziger 7y ago
  https://www.flow.li https://www.flow.li
  - hbcondo714 7y ago
    Thank you, their paywall & trial services sounds good. I'm not seeing any information on pricing though. Do you by chance know how much they charge?
atentaten 7y ago
This looks interesting. Comparing it to something like Adobe Experience Manager/CQ, I wonder if it has mobile editing modes and if any large enterprises outside of their customer logos section are using it.
- at-fates-hands 7y ago
  The editing menus are not totally responsive. If you don't mind some swiping left and right, then you'll be fine. But no, it doesn't have a specific mobile editing UI.
  - boutell 7y ago
    Correct, mobile editing hasn't been a priority so far. Of course you can build mobile responsive sites well with it.
- boutell 7y ago
  Michelin uses it, there's a case study: https://apostrophecms.com/case-studies/michelin-case-study https://apostrophecms.com/case-studies/michelin-case-study
- einrealist 7y ago
  To me, JCR and Sling are superior to anything I've ever used in regard to content management. In my opinion, having such a powerful concept supports far more use cases than just serving content pages. Its a bit sad, that there are not more OSS projects on top of Sling or projects that try to implement similar concepts for different platforms (than Java).
wilsonfiifi 7y ago
I like the fact that it has a how to deploy to Heroku section because that means you can also deploy to Dokku or Flynn or just use Herokuish on it’s own with Docker.
- boutell 7y ago
  Yeah, that was our main reason for documenting Heroku. It has all the same concerns as the alternatives and it's widely known.
pjmlp 7y ago
I like it, doesn't look very enterprise to me (think Liferay style of CMS), but it surely has lots of good work put into it.
- rmbryan 7y ago
  What makes Apostrophe CMS not enterprise?
  - wolco 7y ago
    What plug-on/integrations do they support?
    - boutell 7y ago
      For example, there are salesforce integrations, as well as the apostrophe-passport and apostrophe-saml modules which leverage passport to achieve compatibility with most single sign-on solutions.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Ability to plug the CMS data store into Oracle, SQL Server, Informix, DB2, including having different servers for the published web site and the content management system used by the editors. Connectors to SAP, Dynamics, Commerce solutions. Connectors to multi-channel campaigns and built-in analytics. Ability to define workflows, either through rules, or via specific actions. Plugin based interface to customize the CMS behaviour at all levels, handling the HTTP request, exposing WebAPIs, authentication into various kind of security systems, extending the menu options available on the UI designer. I guess there are JavaScript libraries to some of these features, however an enterprise CMS brings all of these in one box. Ah, and a enterprise CMS also has their own set of certifications, developer conferences and partnerships with different kinds of support levels.
pupppet 7y ago
Marvel lawyers, assemble!
dubcanada 7y ago
Uses MongoDB? Has anyone used this before? It has a bunch of nice features but I don't understand what separated it into a "Enterprise" category. They also seem to have migrated to a completely different platform from 1.5 to 2 (PHP -> NodeJS). So that doesn't really scream stable Enterprise to me.
- smcleod 7y ago
  "Why you should never, ever, ever use MongoDB" (2015): http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2015/07/19/why-you-should-never-ever-ever-use-mongodb/ http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2015/07/19/why-you-should-ne... Choose boring technology - especially for a relatively simple use case such as a CMS.
  - boutell 7y ago
    2015 was a while ago for MongoDB and most of those issues no longer apply. That article could stand an update.
    - joepie91_ 7y ago
      Frankly I have no intention to write an update to the article. Anyone who, after reading that list of issues and seeing the repeated sketchy behaviour of MongoDB (the company), still doesn't recognize the deep-seated issues behind how MongoDB is being developed and marketed, isn't going to be convinced by an updated list of grievances either. It'd be a waste of my time and energy. But if you insist on evidence that they haven't actually meaningfully improved, this is their latest problem, from a few months ago: https://www.ongres.com/blog/benchmarking-do-it-with-transparency/ https://www.ongres.com/blog/benchmarking-do-it-with-transpar... Seriously. My original article wasn't just a to-do list for the MongoDB developers. It was meant to illustrate the deeper problems with MongoDB, and how it's a database that was developed just to have a product to sell, not to actually build a better database. If that message still hasn't gotten through to people, well, I've tried.
      - boutell 7y ago
arnorhs 7y ago
Honestly, yet another CMS that ties your UI to your CMS is not what we as an industry need. I know it seems nice and it has a lot of nice features (features that have been in other CMSes before) .. but this is just an old school way of thinking. Any enterprise, before anything else, should be looking at headless CMSes, primarily in my opinion. This is what I advise all of our enterprise clients. (we have no horse in the race) The benefits of headless CMSes are multiplied by enterprises with very large and rich content needs, and generally, what these businesses need, is less coupling of things. I'd rather look at something like strapi, which is open source, has a MVC architecture built on express, is headless by default, more than a single db option, has a graphql api etc. Or if you want to go SAAS, use Prismic.io or Contentful
- zeroprox 7y ago
  It looks like it can be headless if you want it to be. https://github.com/apostrophecms/apostrophe-headless https://github.com/apostrophecms/apostrophe-headless
  - rmbryan 7y ago
    Confirmed, can run fully-headless or a mix of hybrid with mix-ins.
- theturtletalks 7y ago
  I would also check-out https://github.com/tinacms/tinacms https://github.com/tinacms/tinacms which allows simple markdown editing on Gatsby and Next. It's as extendable as you'd like.
- marc_io 7y ago
  Decoupling the pieces that make up the editorial process brings modern practices to the table, for sure, but it also adds another level of management that the enterprise market as a whole just doesn't seem to enjoy. It's easier to sell them a solution that integrates everything into one marketable package.
zelon88 7y ago
It looks interesting but on an Android smartphone the demo UI was pretty garbled. Also I like the pitch but I think you need to focus more on what separates this from the status quo.
kiddico 7y ago
What in the world is going on with those videos?! It brought my gpu's (Radeon VII) video decode to 90%, and brought my whole pc to a standstill. Edit: Interestingly if I use OBS to record it happening, and use AMD AMF as the encoder, then the decode load only hits 73%. After swapping over to cpu x264 encoding, back to 90%+ (Peaked at 96%). Might have a power limit for encode/decode. Weeeeird.

91 points by rmbryan 7y ago

Specifically of interest: https://docs.apostrophecms.org/apostrophe/core-concepts/technical-overview https://docs.apostrophecms.org/apostrophe/core-concepts/tech...

hbcondo714 7y ago

This may not be geared towards the enterprise, but I would like to see a CMS that provides content monetization and paid memberships as a native feature. Ghost recently announced their latest version[1] with Stripe integration and has paid memberships[2] in beta. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21322712 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21322712 [2]https://ghost.org/members/ https://ghost.org/members/

deleted 7y ago
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baenziger 7y ago
https://www.flow.li https://www.flow.li
- hbcondo714 7y ago
  Thank you, their paywall & trial services sounds good. I'm not seeing any information on pricing though. Do you by chance know how much they charge?

atentaten 7y ago

This looks interesting. Comparing it to something like Adobe Experience Manager/CQ, I wonder if it has mobile editing modes and if any large enterprises outside of their customer logos section are using it.

at-fates-hands 7y ago
The editing menus are not totally responsive. If you don't mind some swiping left and right, then you'll be fine. But no, it doesn't have a specific mobile editing UI.
- boutell 7y ago
  Correct, mobile editing hasn't been a priority so far. Of course you can build mobile responsive sites well with it.
boutell 7y ago
Michelin uses it, there's a case study: https://apostrophecms.com/case-studies/michelin-case-study https://apostrophecms.com/case-studies/michelin-case-study
einrealist 7y ago
To me, JCR and Sling are superior to anything I've ever used in regard to content management. In my opinion, having such a powerful concept supports far more use cases than just serving content pages. Its a bit sad, that there are not more OSS projects on top of Sling or projects that try to implement similar concepts for different platforms (than Java).

wilsonfiifi 7y ago

I like the fact that it has a how to deploy to Heroku section because that means you can also deploy to Dokku or Flynn or just use Herokuish on it’s own with Docker.

boutell 7y ago
Yeah, that was our main reason for documenting Heroku. It has all the same concerns as the alternatives and it's widely known.

pjmlp 7y ago

I like it, doesn't look very enterprise to me (think Liferay style of CMS), but it surely has lots of good work put into it.

rmbryan 7y ago
What makes Apostrophe CMS not enterprise?
- wolco 7y ago
  What plug-on/integrations do they support?
  - boutell 7y ago
    For example, there are salesforce integrations, as well as the apostrophe-passport and apostrophe-saml modules which leverage passport to achieve compatibility with most single sign-on solutions.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Ability to plug the CMS data store into Oracle, SQL Server, Informix, DB2, including having different servers for the published web site and the content management system used by the editors. Connectors to SAP, Dynamics, Commerce solutions. Connectors to multi-channel campaigns and built-in analytics. Ability to define workflows, either through rules, or via specific actions. Plugin based interface to customize the CMS behaviour at all levels, handling the HTTP request, exposing WebAPIs, authentication into various kind of security systems, extending the menu options available on the UI designer. I guess there are JavaScript libraries to some of these features, however an enterprise CMS brings all of these in one box. Ah, and a enterprise CMS also has their own set of certifications, developer conferences and partnerships with different kinds of support levels.

pupppet 7y ago

Marvel lawyers, assemble!

dubcanada 7y ago

Uses MongoDB? Has anyone used this before? It has a bunch of nice features but I don't understand what separated it into a "Enterprise" category. They also seem to have migrated to a completely different platform from 1.5 to 2 (PHP -> NodeJS). So that doesn't really scream stable Enterprise to me.

smcleod 7y ago
"Why you should never, ever, ever use MongoDB" (2015): http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2015/07/19/why-you-should-never-ever-ever-use-mongodb/ http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2015/07/19/why-you-should-ne... Choose boring technology - especially for a relatively simple use case such as a CMS.
- boutell 7y ago
  2015 was a while ago for MongoDB and most of those issues no longer apply. That article could stand an update.
  - joepie91_ 7y ago
    Frankly I have no intention to write an update to the article. Anyone who, after reading that list of issues and seeing the repeated sketchy behaviour of MongoDB (the company), still doesn't recognize the deep-seated issues behind how MongoDB is being developed and marketed, isn't going to be convinced by an updated list of grievances either. It'd be a waste of my time and energy. But if you insist on evidence that they haven't actually meaningfully improved, this is their latest problem, from a few months ago: https://www.ongres.com/blog/benchmarking-do-it-with-transparency/ https://www.ongres.com/blog/benchmarking-do-it-with-transpar... Seriously. My original article wasn't just a to-do list for the MongoDB developers. It was meant to illustrate the deeper problems with MongoDB, and how it's a database that was developed just to have a product to sell, not to actually build a better database. If that message still hasn't gotten through to people, well, I've tried.
    - boutell 7y ago

arnorhs 7y ago

Honestly, yet another CMS that ties your UI to your CMS is not what we as an industry need. I know it seems nice and it has a lot of nice features (features that have been in other CMSes before) .. but this is just an old school way of thinking. Any enterprise, before anything else, should be looking at headless CMSes, primarily in my opinion. This is what I advise all of our enterprise clients. (we have no horse in the race) The benefits of headless CMSes are multiplied by enterprises with very large and rich content needs, and generally, what these businesses need, is less coupling of things. I'd rather look at something like strapi, which is open source, has a MVC architecture built on express, is headless by default, more than a single db option, has a graphql api etc. Or if you want to go SAAS, use Prismic.io or Contentful

zeroprox 7y ago
It looks like it can be headless if you want it to be. https://github.com/apostrophecms/apostrophe-headless https://github.com/apostrophecms/apostrophe-headless
- rmbryan 7y ago
  Confirmed, can run fully-headless or a mix of hybrid with mix-ins.
theturtletalks 7y ago
I would also check-out https://github.com/tinacms/tinacms https://github.com/tinacms/tinacms which allows simple markdown editing on Gatsby and Next. It's as extendable as you'd like.
marc_io 7y ago
Decoupling the pieces that make up the editorial process brings modern practices to the table, for sure, but it also adds another level of management that the enterprise market as a whole just doesn't seem to enjoy. It's easier to sell them a solution that integrates everything into one marketable package.

zelon88 7y ago

It looks interesting but on an Android smartphone the demo UI was pretty garbled. Also I like the pitch but I think you need to focus more on what separates this from the status quo.

kiddico 7y ago

What in the world is going on with those videos?! It brought my gpu's (Radeon VII) video decode to 90%, and brought my whole pc to a standstill. Edit: Interestingly if I use OBS to record it happening, and use AMD AMF as the encoder, then the decode load only hits 73%. After swapping over to cpu x264 encoding, back to 90%+ (Peaked at 96%). Might have a power limit for encode/decode. Weeeeird.