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Third post about oxide/it's founders in the top 5? Either HN loves marketing spiels or the founders have a passionate upvoting cartel, propping up the exact sam

Third post about oxide/it's founders in the top 5? Either HN loves marketing spiels or the founders have a passionate upvoting cartel, propping up the exact same non-informative marketing in 3 different posts.

twunde 7y ago
It's because of whom the founders are. Jessie Frazelle was a major engineer in containers and a frequent talk giver. Steve Tuck was President and COO of Joyent. Bryan Cantrill is the former CTO of Joyent and co-creater of Dtrace. To many in the HN community those are impressive credentials. Added to that is that many people here have worked with one of those three or at the very least listened to at least one of their talks.
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- hinkley 7y ago
  Cantrill is also, if not a frequent presenter, a high profile one. He has an odd mix of insightful observations peppered with highly inappropriate (but amusing) speculations about Larry Ellison's membership in the Nazi Party.
  - StacyRoberts 7y ago
    Don't forget the many people who have spoken publicly about his toxicity. Cantrill had a tendency to treat people poorly and that nature of his is also in the soul of this company. Read his comments here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20115336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20115336 Making this company about him and not the product is typical behavior from Cantrill.
    - chucksmash 7y ago
      I read the thread you linked. I don't see an example there of him treating people poorly or behaving "toxically". I do see people who seem to have an ax to grind with the guy. Someone asks, without being too snarky, "what's the point of Joyent?" bcantrill responds in a reasonable manner in several places in the thread. Several posters decide the thread should be "what's the point of bcantrill?" and dredge up an old usenet post, engage in ad hominems, and are generally surly. His responses come across as eminently reasonable to me. The original poster even apologizes to bcantrill for triggering a dogpile. What is he meant to have done wrong there?
      - StacyRoberts 7y ago
        Stuff like this: https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2018/07/01/bryan-cantrill-has-been-accused-of-verbal-abuse-by-at-least-seven-people/ https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2018/07/01/bryan-cantrill-has... I don't know him personally. I've only seen him speak via YouTube videos. My point isn't to damage his reputation further, just add evidence that there may be an egocentric aspect to what is going on with the team heavy focus of the initial marketing push for the company. There are arguments being made in these few threads today that such a direction is misguided and I believe his history supports that. He tends to dismiss his impact on the failures and blame others instead. The claims about joyent for example that it was too far advanced for mass adoption or Amazon squashed it, rather than he not focusing on better marketing or the customer. The products are held back not because he wasn't good enough, but rather because he was too good. I have an intuitive sense this new company is going down that same road.
    - mzs 7y ago
      Stacy I worked yards away from him for two years and never witnessed him being toxic to anyone. Instead he was a great resource to many.
    - dang 7y ago
      Please don't post personal attacks to Hacker News. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - mpweiher 7y ago
      > Making this company about him and not the product is typical behavior from Cantrill. This post is his personal blog, so this is obviously about his personal perspective on the new company. Anything else would be weird on a personal blog. Also: "The “we” here is paramount ..." Hmm... I don't see any evidence of him making "the company" be about him.
anbotero 7y ago
The privilege of networking. Yes, you can be the author and maintainer of great things, but not every great author of things receives the same amount of praise and good wishes in such a short amount of time. In fact, a lot of them even more significant never receive the same amount of praise. Probably the same privilege some complain about other groups of people have, but nonetheless it's usually an effective strategy to build up a good network of people looking over your projects.
dang 7y ago
Please don't break the site guidelines by insinuating cartels and whatnot: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html What's different today is that I got a late start, then got sucked into moderating flamewars, and only just noticed the duplication on the front page. Will merge the threads shortly.

twunde 7y ago

It's because of whom the founders are. Jessie Frazelle was a major engineer in containers and a frequent talk giver. Steve Tuck was President and COO of Joyent. Bryan Cantrill is the former CTO of Joyent and co-creater of Dtrace. To many in the HN community those are impressive credentials. Added to that is that many people here have worked with one of those three or at the very least listened to at least one of their talks.

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hinkley 7y ago
Cantrill is also, if not a frequent presenter, a high profile one. He has an odd mix of insightful observations peppered with highly inappropriate (but amusing) speculations about Larry Ellison's membership in the Nazi Party.
- StacyRoberts 7y ago
  Don't forget the many people who have spoken publicly about his toxicity. Cantrill had a tendency to treat people poorly and that nature of his is also in the soul of this company. Read his comments here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20115336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20115336 Making this company about him and not the product is typical behavior from Cantrill.
  - chucksmash 7y ago
    I read the thread you linked. I don't see an example there of him treating people poorly or behaving "toxically". I do see people who seem to have an ax to grind with the guy. Someone asks, without being too snarky, "what's the point of Joyent?" bcantrill responds in a reasonable manner in several places in the thread. Several posters decide the thread should be "what's the point of bcantrill?" and dredge up an old usenet post, engage in ad hominems, and are generally surly. His responses come across as eminently reasonable to me. The original poster even apologizes to bcantrill for triggering a dogpile. What is he meant to have done wrong there?
    - StacyRoberts 7y ago
      Stuff like this: https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2018/07/01/bryan-cantrill-has-been-accused-of-verbal-abuse-by-at-least-seven-people/ https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2018/07/01/bryan-cantrill-has... I don't know him personally. I've only seen him speak via YouTube videos. My point isn't to damage his reputation further, just add evidence that there may be an egocentric aspect to what is going on with the team heavy focus of the initial marketing push for the company. There are arguments being made in these few threads today that such a direction is misguided and I believe his history supports that. He tends to dismiss his impact on the failures and blame others instead. The claims about joyent for example that it was too far advanced for mass adoption or Amazon squashed it, rather than he not focusing on better marketing or the customer. The products are held back not because he wasn't good enough, but rather because he was too good. I have an intuitive sense this new company is going down that same road.
  - mzs 7y ago
    Stacy I worked yards away from him for two years and never witnessed him being toxic to anyone. Instead he was a great resource to many.
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't post personal attacks to Hacker News. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - mpweiher 7y ago
    > Making this company about him and not the product is typical behavior from Cantrill. This post is his personal blog, so this is obviously about his personal perspective on the new company. Anything else would be weird on a personal blog. Also: "The “we” here is paramount ..." Hmm... I don't see any evidence of him making "the company" be about him.

anbotero 7y ago

The privilege of networking. Yes, you can be the author and maintainer of great things, but not every great author of things receives the same amount of praise and good wishes in such a short amount of time. In fact, a lot of them even more significant never receive the same amount of praise. Probably the same privilege some complain about other groups of people have, but nonetheless it's usually an effective strategy to build up a good network of people looking over your projects.

dang 7y ago

Please don't break the site guidelines by insinuating cartels and whatnot: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html What's different today is that I got a late start, then got sucked into moderating flamewars, and only just noticed the duplication on the front page. Will merge the threads shortly.