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Wow, Microsoft And Google Are Punching Each Other In The Face In Front Of Us

118 points by thankuz 16y ago

dustingetz 16y ago
those twitter zingers are absolutely hilarious!
shareme 16y ago
as opposed to TC and Engadget punching each other?
- drivebyacct2 16y ago
  Do you actually expect better of them though? I mean really...
- SoftwareMaven 16y ago
  Remember, in any corporate fist-fight, it is the media that is going to benefit the most, so if there isn't a fight occurring in the wild, it makes sense to stage one.
to 16y ago
"google offers" all im saying. they arent "stealing" results - how would that even be possible? they just mimic search result behavior. srsly. who cares. bing would be better off copying blekko or duckduck results. that goes along with my switch from google to duckduckgo on all devices & macs. why? cause google results are 99% spam. only splogs, content farms, fake communities scraping content from real content sites and so on. im that close to create my own twitter clone that will never support things like 4sq, gowalla, postly and what not. it just gets annoying on every level of information.
msbarnett 16y ago
I guess Eric Schmidt was wrong; it sure looks like adult supervision is still needed.
- alexqgb 16y ago
  If he's available, Microsoft is in the market.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  > it sure looks like adult supervision is still needed. You mean, in Microsoft, right? Perhaps some ethical guidance too.
eitally 16y ago
This is worth an upvote in spite of MG's authorship just because of the inclusion of relevant Tweets.
- sjs382 16y ago
  What are they using to embed tweets like that? Is it publicly available software?
  - wippler 16y ago
    yes.. twitter released it a few months ago, Blackbird Pie. http://media.twitter.com/blackbird-pie/ http://media.twitter.com/blackbird-pie/ edit: actually they use the Blackbird Pie wordpress plugin http://themergency.com/twitter-blackbird-pie-wordpress-plugin/ http://themergency.com/twitter-blackbird-pie-wordpress-plugi...
redthrowaway 16y ago
This exchange serves to further highlight the perverse appeal of Twitter: we get to watch powerful people act childish. I love it.
- alexqgb 16y ago
  Profound issues of right and wrong are rarely this entertaining. Conclusion: this isn't serious. But holy smoke is it fun to watch.
ddemchuk 16y ago
Who the hell is in charge of the PR for these two companies to allow them to late night bitch at each other over Twitter??? These companies rake in billions per quarter and are acting like they're gonna be on TMZ tonight.
- digitalinfinity 16y ago
  MG's post quotes http://twitter.com/#!/fxshaw http://twitter.com/#!/fxshaw. This should answer your question- http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/shaw/ http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/shaw/
ck2 16y ago
If copying is going to stop, I'd like Google to stop copying Bing's look and feel, it's getting really annoying. ps. I want my old image search back and my old map controls back
- danilocampos 16y ago
  Right on. 2010's changes to Google Image Search left it an enormous pile of ass. Just give me simple, paginated results, please.
  - ck2 16y ago
    I forgot to bookmark it but once I followed a link from reddit to google images and it somehow defaulted back to the old method. So something on the URL can toggle it, I just have no clue what it was and feel stupid for not researching it right there and then. Just recently they are tinkering with maps and the new controls are so sluggish and non-intuitive, I have to dig two or three levels constantly. Every so often it reverts to the old interface but the new one looks like it's here to stay. Very fustrating.
    - eneveu 16y ago
      Add "&sout=1" to the URL. Or click "Switch to basic version" in the page footer :) More information: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web%20Search/thread?tid=5c4cc2fede82d16c http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web%20Search/thread?ti...
iamelgringo 16y ago
I hate to say it, but Microsoft has a _lot_ more experience in bare knuckle fighting than Google does. And, I'm betting that Microsoft is very interested in getting into a brawl over this one. I really don't think that Google wants to get into a fight over who sucks up users click streams to advance their business... Those who live in glass houses really flick boogers.
- RickHull 16y ago
  > I really don't think that Google wants to get into a fight over who sucks up users click streams to advance their business... Presenting your competitor's clickstream as your own takes it to a new level. > Those who live in glass houses really flick boogers. And bloggers!
  - random42 16y ago
    > Presenting your competitor's clickstream as your own takes it to a new level. Clickstream is still of bing toolbar users.
    - extension 16y ago
      Point is, they have a script thingy that goes "when our user searches Google for some word and then clicks on a result, make that Bing's result for the same word (plus 999 other things)". I would say most of the intelligence there is being extracted from Google doing the search, not from the user choosing the result. I'm not saying Bing should go to jail or anything. The rules of the search game are still being written. But let's give credit for search engineering where credit is due.
moonpolysoft 16y ago
Dingus.
Aaronontheweb 16y ago
What the hell does Dave Winer do these days other than insert himself into everything? Is he involved with something important that I'm overlooking?
- michael_dorfman 16y ago
  Was it ever otherwise?
j_baker 16y ago
The thing I find most interesting about Microsoft's tweets here is that at no point does Frank ever actually deny copying Google's search results. Well, except to tell a bald-faced lie that obviously isn't true. I mean, if Microsoft really had evidence that Google had its employees report the sites to MS customer feedback, I have a feeling they'd be making it known some place other that Frank Shaw's twitter account.
bitwize 16y ago
Is it one of those one-shall-stand, one-shall-fall simultaneous face punches like I saw on UFC? Because that would be sweet...
fossuser 16y ago
Microsoft's behavior comes across as sleazy to me, which no doubt is Google's intention. I respect mathematical advancements and clever algorithmic solutions to search which Google has always been impressive with. The method Microsoft is using with their toolbar just comes across as lame and uninteresting.

118 points by thankuz 16y ago

dustingetz 16y ago

those twitter zingers are absolutely hilarious!

shareme 16y ago

as opposed to TC and Engadget punching each other?

drivebyacct2 16y ago
Do you actually expect better of them though? I mean really...
SoftwareMaven 16y ago
Remember, in any corporate fist-fight, it is the media that is going to benefit the most, so if there isn't a fight occurring in the wild, it makes sense to stage one.

to 16y ago

"google offers" all im saying. they arent "stealing" results - how would that even be possible? they just mimic search result behavior. srsly. who cares. bing would be better off copying blekko or duckduck results. that goes along with my switch from google to duckduckgo on all devices & macs. why? cause google results are 99% spam. only splogs, content farms, fake communities scraping content from real content sites and so on. im that close to create my own twitter clone that will never support things like 4sq, gowalla, postly and what not. it just gets annoying on every level of information.

msbarnett 16y ago

I guess Eric Schmidt was wrong; it sure looks like adult supervision is still needed.

alexqgb 16y ago
If he's available, Microsoft is in the market.
rbanffy 16y ago
> it sure looks like adult supervision is still needed. You mean, in Microsoft, right? Perhaps some ethical guidance too.

eitally 16y ago

This is worth an upvote in spite of MG's authorship just because of the inclusion of relevant Tweets.

sjs382 16y ago
What are they using to embed tweets like that? Is it publicly available software?
- wippler 16y ago
  yes.. twitter released it a few months ago, Blackbird Pie. http://media.twitter.com/blackbird-pie/ http://media.twitter.com/blackbird-pie/ edit: actually they use the Blackbird Pie wordpress plugin http://themergency.com/twitter-blackbird-pie-wordpress-plugin/ http://themergency.com/twitter-blackbird-pie-wordpress-plugi...

redthrowaway 16y ago

This exchange serves to further highlight the perverse appeal of Twitter: we get to watch powerful people act childish. I love it.

alexqgb 16y ago
Profound issues of right and wrong are rarely this entertaining. Conclusion: this isn't serious. But holy smoke is it fun to watch.

ddemchuk 16y ago

Who the hell is in charge of the PR for these two companies to allow them to late night bitch at each other over Twitter??? These companies rake in billions per quarter and are acting like they're gonna be on TMZ tonight.

digitalinfinity 16y ago
MG's post quotes http://twitter.com/#!/fxshaw http://twitter.com/#!/fxshaw. This should answer your question- http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/shaw/ http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/shaw/

ck2 16y ago

If copying is going to stop, I'd like Google to stop copying Bing's look and feel, it's getting really annoying. ps. I want my old image search back and my old map controls back

danilocampos 16y ago
Right on. 2010's changes to Google Image Search left it an enormous pile of ass. Just give me simple, paginated results, please.
- ck2 16y ago
  I forgot to bookmark it but once I followed a link from reddit to google images and it somehow defaulted back to the old method. So something on the URL can toggle it, I just have no clue what it was and feel stupid for not researching it right there and then. Just recently they are tinkering with maps and the new controls are so sluggish and non-intuitive, I have to dig two or three levels constantly. Every so often it reverts to the old interface but the new one looks like it's here to stay. Very fustrating.
  - eneveu 16y ago
    Add "&sout=1" to the URL. Or click "Switch to basic version" in the page footer :) More information: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web%20Search/thread?tid=5c4cc2fede82d16c http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web%20Search/thread?ti...

iamelgringo 16y ago

I hate to say it, but Microsoft has a _lot_ more experience in bare knuckle fighting than Google does. And, I'm betting that Microsoft is very interested in getting into a brawl over this one. I really don't think that Google wants to get into a fight over who sucks up users click streams to advance their business... Those who live in glass houses really flick boogers.

RickHull 16y ago
> I really don't think that Google wants to get into a fight over who sucks up users click streams to advance their business... Presenting your competitor's clickstream as your own takes it to a new level. > Those who live in glass houses really flick boogers. And bloggers!
- random42 16y ago
  > Presenting your competitor's clickstream as your own takes it to a new level. Clickstream is still of bing toolbar users.
  - extension 16y ago
    Point is, they have a script thingy that goes "when our user searches Google for some word and then clicks on a result, make that Bing's result for the same word (plus 999 other things)". I would say most of the intelligence there is being extracted from Google doing the search, not from the user choosing the result. I'm not saying Bing should go to jail or anything. The rules of the search game are still being written. But let's give credit for search engineering where credit is due.

moonpolysoft 16y ago

Dingus.

Aaronontheweb 16y ago

What the hell does Dave Winer do these days other than insert himself into everything? Is he involved with something important that I'm overlooking?

michael_dorfman 16y ago
Was it ever otherwise?

j_baker 16y ago

The thing I find most interesting about Microsoft's tweets here is that at no point does Frank ever actually deny copying Google's search results. Well, except to tell a bald-faced lie that obviously isn't true. I mean, if Microsoft really had evidence that Google had its employees report the sites to MS customer feedback, I have a feeling they'd be making it known some place other that Frank Shaw's twitter account.

bitwize 16y ago

Is it one of those one-shall-stand, one-shall-fall simultaneous face punches like I saw on UFC? Because that would be sweet...

fossuser 16y ago

Microsoft's behavior comes across as sleazy to me, which no doubt is Google's intention. I respect mathematical advancements and clever algorithmic solutions to search which Google has always been impressive with. The method Microsoft is using with their toolbar just comes across as lame and uninteresting.