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Sure, but the underlying difference is that people actually know their rights, not that SF is somehow soft on crime as implied.

Jamwinner 7y ago
In most places people can be stopped. Mega business tends not to chase them because they can absorb the costs, making possible litigtion not worth it. The small business owner is the one made powerless by these laws, which are, indeed, different from the rest of the country.
- kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
  Their customers absorb the costs. Always.
WarDores 7y ago
The right to steal unimpeded?
mc32 7y ago
It’s almost as if you’re wanting to imply shoplifting is a right. They are not imploring a right. I could make s citizens arrest under my rights but people will tell you, it’s a losing proposition because you subject yourself to other frivolous claims that take money and time to clear up. So the reason people aren’t detained for police is because police will do very little in these cases because they are classed as misdemeanors. So why risk lawsuits, etc. when there is no upside?
- coreless 7y ago
  > I could make s citizens arrest under my rights Very debatable. If you as a non-LEO attempt to detain someone who you suspect of having committed a crime, and they feel threatened, you could easily end up in jail. “They did a crime” does not, in fact, give you the right to crime too. Edit: Can someone help me out? I’ve posted a bunch of controversial opinions in this thread, so why is the one factual claim the thing getting downvoted to oblivion without comment? Am I somehow wrong about this? Like... can I actually crime someone just because they crimed someone else first and I don’t want them to get away with it? I need to know this.
  - jnosCo 7y ago
    https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=837 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    > so why is the one factual claim It's not factual - it's false. > Am I somehow wrong about this? .. can I actually crime someone Making a reasonable citizen's arrest is not a crime. That's what you have wrong. (And you don't 'crime' someone, that's a noun not a verb.)
anxman 7y ago
Except SF is soft on crime ... we have the lowest arrest and conviction rate in all of California.

Jamwinner 7y ago

In most places people can be stopped. Mega business tends not to chase them because they can absorb the costs, making possible litigtion not worth it. The small business owner is the one made powerless by these laws, which are, indeed, different from the rest of the country.

kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
Their customers absorb the costs. Always.

WarDores 7y ago

The right to steal unimpeded?

mc32 7y ago

It’s almost as if you’re wanting to imply shoplifting is a right. They are not imploring a right. I could make s citizens arrest under my rights but people will tell you, it’s a losing proposition because you subject yourself to other frivolous claims that take money and time to clear up. So the reason people aren’t detained for police is because police will do very little in these cases because they are classed as misdemeanors. So why risk lawsuits, etc. when there is no upside?

coreless 7y ago
> I could make s citizens arrest under my rights Very debatable. If you as a non-LEO attempt to detain someone who you suspect of having committed a crime, and they feel threatened, you could easily end up in jail. “They did a crime” does not, in fact, give you the right to crime too. Edit: Can someone help me out? I’ve posted a bunch of controversial opinions in this thread, so why is the one factual claim the thing getting downvoted to oblivion without comment? Am I somehow wrong about this? Like... can I actually crime someone just because they crimed someone else first and I don’t want them to get away with it? I need to know this.
- jnosCo 7y ago
  https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=837 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  > so why is the one factual claim It's not factual - it's false. > Am I somehow wrong about this? .. can I actually crime someone Making a reasonable citizen's arrest is not a crime. That's what you have wrong. (And you don't 'crime' someone, that's a noun not a verb.)

anxman 7y ago

Except SF is soft on crime ... we have the lowest arrest and conviction rate in all of California.