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The fact that our healthcare system is messed up is not synonymous with getting rid of profit. Every time something is screwed up in the US, there’s a bunch of

The fact that our healthcare system is messed up is not synonymous with getting rid of profit. Every time something is screwed up in the US, there’s a bunch of people who scream “See! Capitalism!” This, to my mind is unproductive and rather transparent advocacy for an underlying ideological inclination. Sometimes things can be fixed without resorting to “Socializing” them. Here’s something broken under a socialized mechanism: every piece of NYC infrastructure.

igravious 7y ago
"This, to my mind is unproductive and rather transparent advocacy for an underlying ideological inclination." And you're not ideologically inclined in the opposite direction? Look at what is already socialized: fire departments, court system, police service, the three-letter agencies, military, politicians presumably?, a lot of education (despite student loans), a chunk of the health service already, road network, probably a lot more things. I put it to you – given that so much related to the public good is publicly funded and given that examples from the rest of the world abound that public health services are cheaper why wouldn't you socialize the bulk (> 90%) of health. Clearly, to my mind, the reason why it hasn't yet happened in the States is down to government capture, a.k.a. lobbying, a.k.a. legal bribery.
Brain_Thief 7y ago
I find it interesting that your condemnation of unproductive ideological advocacy is couched within a hyperbolic rant wherein you seem to assume the privilege of having your words taken metaphorically and not literally ("every piece" of NYC infrastructure is broken, implicitly due to "Socialism"; people are "screaming" about the ills of capitalism) while simultaneously refusing to extend that same privilege to the people you decry. Whatever your intentions, your use of bad-faith argumentation practices reflects poorly on your stance and mirrors the condescending messaging employed by advocates of the obviously untenable status quo. I claim that your comment was written in bad faith because it feels both divisive and derisive and makes no attempt at offering a bridge of understanding for balanced discussion to occur.

igravious 7y ago

"This, to my mind is unproductive and rather transparent advocacy for an underlying ideological inclination." And you're not ideologically inclined in the opposite direction? Look at what is already socialized: fire departments, court system, police service, the three-letter agencies, military, politicians presumably?, a lot of education (despite student loans), a chunk of the health service already, road network, probably a lot more things. I put it to you – given that so much related to the public good is publicly funded and given that examples from the rest of the world abound that public health services are cheaper why wouldn't you socialize the bulk (> 90%) of health. Clearly, to my mind, the reason why it hasn't yet happened in the States is down to government capture, a.k.a. lobbying, a.k.a. legal bribery.

Brain_Thief 7y ago

I find it interesting that your condemnation of unproductive ideological advocacy is couched within a hyperbolic rant wherein you seem to assume the privilege of having your words taken metaphorically and not literally ("every piece" of NYC infrastructure is broken, implicitly due to "Socialism"; people are "screaming" about the ills of capitalism) while simultaneously refusing to extend that same privilege to the people you decry. Whatever your intentions, your use of bad-faith argumentation practices reflects poorly on your stance and mirrors the condescending messaging employed by advocates of the obviously untenable status quo. I claim that your comment was written in bad faith because it feels both divisive and derisive and makes no attempt at offering a bridge of understanding for balanced discussion to occur.