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Not to be flippant, but so is alcohol usage, should we encourage students to drink at school? Smartphone applications are designed to be addictive and have dem

by lom888 7y ago

Not to be flippant, but so is alcohol usage, should we encourage students to drink at school? Smartphone applications are designed to be addictive and have demonstrably negative effects upon the mental health of adolescents. Their usage should be vigorously discouraged by anyone who cares about the mental health of school students.

shadowgovt 7y ago
I mean, since you bring it up, there's some evidence that the abstinence-until-21 system the US uses for alcohol does it no favors. It means that instead of being able to learn responsible drinking at home or while younger, America's youth may legally start drinking in college and sort of make up a responsible drinking culture as they go along.
- hollerith 7y ago
  You mention drinking at home. The law bans the purchase of alcohol by children, but does it ban parents giving alcohol to their children? I dont think so.
  - shadowgovt 7y ago
    It's created a cultural stigma that results in most Americans refraining from exercising that freedom, but you're correct; it is not illegal to serve alcohol to minors at home (there are details there that I'm not going to go look up right now ;) ).
  - ryanmercer 7y ago
    >but does it ban parents giving alcohol to their children? I dont think so. It is quite illegal to furnish alcohol to minors >All states also make it a crime to supply an underage person with alcohol even when there is no money involved. https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/crime-penalties/supplying-alcohol-minors-and-legal-penalties.htm https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-def... And: >Depending on the situation, one can be charged with a misdemeanor or a felony for supplying alcohol to minors. Most often, supplying alcohol to a minor is considered a misdemeanor offense, but in some jurisdictions, it may be considered a felony depending on the circumstances. Felonies for supplying minors with alcohol are typically charged when there is some type of accident or injury involved with the use of alcohol or the person supplying the alcohol has been convicted of repeated offenses. Typical penalties are outlined below. https://www.alcohol.org/laws/supplying-alcohol-to-a-minor/ https://www.alcohol.org/laws/supplying-alcohol-to-a-minor/
    - voxic11 7y ago
      Most states exempt parents from such laws. For example Massachusetts law says > For the purpose of this section the word ''furnish'' shall mean to knowingly or intentionally supply, give, or provide to or allow a person under 21 years of age except for the children and grandchildren of the person being charged to possess alcoholic beverages on premises or property owned or controlled by the person charged. https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter138/Section34 https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Cha...
  - nkrisc 7y ago
    Doesn't even have to be in the home. In Wisconsin you can drink under 21 at a restaurant if you're accompanied by a legal guardian, parent, or spouse who is 21 or older. As I recall, many divey bars would settle for "sibling." As a teenager in Illinois I heard tale of a mythical land to the North where we could drink in restaurants with our parents. https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/125/I/07/1 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/125/I/07/...
  - sp332 7y ago
    That depends on the state. https://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2013/10/legal-for-kids-to-drink-alcohol-with-parents.html https://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2013/10/legal-for-kid... Five states -- Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, New Hampshire, and West Virginia -- have no exceptions to their underage alcohol consumption laws.
sdinsn 7y ago
> but so is alcohol usage, should we encourage students to drink at school? Not a great analogy, since the effects on alcohol are quite different than the effects of using a smartphone.
- jessaustin 7y ago
  In many contexts, e.g. while driving or attempting to think about abstract topics, the effects of one are difficult to distinguish from the effects of the other.

by lom888 7y ago

shadowgovt 7y ago

I mean, since you bring it up, there's some evidence that the abstinence-until-21 system the US uses for alcohol does it no favors. It means that instead of being able to learn responsible drinking at home or while younger, America's youth may legally start drinking in college and sort of make up a responsible drinking culture as they go along.

hollerith 7y ago
You mention drinking at home. The law bans the purchase of alcohol by children, but does it ban parents giving alcohol to their children? I dont think so.
- shadowgovt 7y ago
  It's created a cultural stigma that results in most Americans refraining from exercising that freedom, but you're correct; it is not illegal to serve alcohol to minors at home (there are details there that I'm not going to go look up right now ;) ).
- ryanmercer 7y ago
  >but does it ban parents giving alcohol to their children? I dont think so. It is quite illegal to furnish alcohol to minors >All states also make it a crime to supply an underage person with alcohol even when there is no money involved. https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/crime-penalties/supplying-alcohol-minors-and-legal-penalties.htm https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-def... And: >Depending on the situation, one can be charged with a misdemeanor or a felony for supplying alcohol to minors. Most often, supplying alcohol to a minor is considered a misdemeanor offense, but in some jurisdictions, it may be considered a felony depending on the circumstances. Felonies for supplying minors with alcohol are typically charged when there is some type of accident or injury involved with the use of alcohol or the person supplying the alcohol has been convicted of repeated offenses. Typical penalties are outlined below. https://www.alcohol.org/laws/supplying-alcohol-to-a-minor/ https://www.alcohol.org/laws/supplying-alcohol-to-a-minor/
  - voxic11 7y ago
    Most states exempt parents from such laws. For example Massachusetts law says > For the purpose of this section the word ''furnish'' shall mean to knowingly or intentionally supply, give, or provide to or allow a person under 21 years of age except for the children and grandchildren of the person being charged to possess alcoholic beverages on premises or property owned or controlled by the person charged. https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter138/Section34 https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Cha...
- nkrisc 7y ago
  Doesn't even have to be in the home. In Wisconsin you can drink under 21 at a restaurant if you're accompanied by a legal guardian, parent, or spouse who is 21 or older. As I recall, many divey bars would settle for "sibling." As a teenager in Illinois I heard tale of a mythical land to the North where we could drink in restaurants with our parents. https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/125/I/07/1 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/125/I/07/...
- sp332 7y ago
  That depends on the state. https://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2013/10/legal-for-kids-to-drink-alcohol-with-parents.html https://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2013/10/legal-for-kid... Five states -- Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, New Hampshire, and West Virginia -- have no exceptions to their underage alcohol consumption laws.

sdinsn 7y ago

> but so is alcohol usage, should we encourage students to drink at school? Not a great analogy, since the effects on alcohol are quite different than the effects of using a smartphone.

jessaustin 7y ago
In many contexts, e.g. while driving or attempting to think about abstract topics, the effects of one are difficult to distinguish from the effects of the other.