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The framing of this comparison is fraught due to unequal bucketing. Most other countries are the size of US states or even cities, so they can boast individuall
by homonculus1 7y ago
The framing of this comparison is fraught due to unequal bucketing. Most other countries are the size of US states or even cities, so they can boast individually low numbers while in the US everything gets bundled together. The US should instead be compared to something like all of Europe or all of Western Europe.
- crazypyro 7y agoPerhaps, a comparison versus the rest of the G7? https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-versus-world-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-versus-...
- homonculus1 7y agoI suppose I'm conflating school shootings with mass shootings which is what most people worry about, a la Columbine or Parkland. The figures in your link are mostly gang violence, which is a completely separate although valid issue. We do absolutely have higher rates of targeted gang violence than other countries, which after controlling for factors like density and poverty is highly correlated to young urban male demographics that aren't as prevalent in other developed nations. There is no single policy that can solve the numerous social and systemic failures that generate this problem, but due to the nature of these vendettas they would assuredly be carried out with knives and shanks in the absence of guns.
- foldr 7y agoThe figures in the article are literally school shootings, i.e. shootings on school grounds.
- CompanionCuuube 7y agoMaybe you should reread the comment you are responding to in order to understand why your objection is meaningless in the context of the discussion. All mass shootings in schools are school shootings, but not all school shootings are mass shootings.
- foldr 7y agoWhy is the distinction important? We don't want school shootings, regardless of whether one or more people die in them.
- foldr 7y agoSure, but what difference does that make? The US still comes out way ahead in school shootings if you compare it to all of Europe. And e.g. the UK has about 1/5th of the population of the US but vastly less than 1/5th as many school shootings. I don't think you can really have thought this through if you think that "bucketing" is the issue.