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But the Tesla is still extremely expensive compared to most "little" cars in my UK neighbourhood (VW Up!, Toyota Yaris etc.) I see many secondhand cars here an

But the Tesla is still extremely expensive compared to most "little" cars in my UK neighbourhood (VW Up!, Toyota Yaris etc.) I see many secondhand cars here and can't understand how the 100,000 mile warranty on batteries (eg the 100,000 miles quoted by the VW ID3) will ever compete with secondhand combustion engine vehicles. For a VW Golf, a 200,000+ mile limit is "normal". I can't see how the removal of the floor to replace the batteries will ever work in practice, unless we're making all these cars with a short-sighted view of recycling?

toomuchtodo 7y ago
It's half the cost per mile to operate an EV in the US versus an internal combustion engine. With UK/EU petrol prices, I imagine the math is even more favorable towards EVs. The battery pack is easily dropped in a Tesla, but you should expect it to last the life of the vehicle (at least 500k miles, almost 25 years at 20k miles/year of driving).
- nroach 7y ago
  Is the CPM assertion supported by data? Does it factor in incentives at the federal level that are subject to sunset provisions? Does it include local incentives that are inconsistent when looked at across the entire US? (ie: CA vs TX) Is it utilizing a normalized cost structure for maintenance (hourly labor rate, for example) which is also highly variable geographically?
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/fsev/costs.pdf https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/fsev/costs.pdf Data is based on cost of electricity versus cost of gasoline. EVs have only a handful of moving parts compared to internal combustion vehicles, so maintenance is less overall (battery coolant and brake fluid changes ever 2-4 years, cabin air filter every 1-2 years, tire rotations every ~6k-7.5k miles). The US is a bit dysfunctional compared to Europe (where they put a priority on shifting away from fossil fuels with subsidies and taxes); regardless, even a Tesla Model 3 without federal incentives (which finish phasing out for Tesla shortly) is still cost competitive when total cost of ownership is evaluated against most internal combustion vehicles (except hybrids).

toomuchtodo 7y ago

It's half the cost per mile to operate an EV in the US versus an internal combustion engine. With UK/EU petrol prices, I imagine the math is even more favorable towards EVs. The battery pack is easily dropped in a Tesla, but you should expect it to last the life of the vehicle (at least 500k miles, almost 25 years at 20k miles/year of driving).

nroach 7y ago
Is the CPM assertion supported by data? Does it factor in incentives at the federal level that are subject to sunset provisions? Does it include local incentives that are inconsistent when looked at across the entire US? (ie: CA vs TX) Is it utilizing a normalized cost structure for maintenance (hourly labor rate, for example) which is also highly variable geographically?
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/fsev/costs.pdf https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/fsev/costs.pdf Data is based on cost of electricity versus cost of gasoline. EVs have only a handful of moving parts compared to internal combustion vehicles, so maintenance is less overall (battery coolant and brake fluid changes ever 2-4 years, cabin air filter every 1-2 years, tire rotations every ~6k-7.5k miles). The US is a bit dysfunctional compared to Europe (where they put a priority on shifting away from fossil fuels with subsidies and taxes); regardless, even a Tesla Model 3 without federal incentives (which finish phasing out for Tesla shortly) is still cost competitive when total cost of ownership is evaluated against most internal combustion vehicles (except hybrids).