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You opinion on density is just that, your opinion, not everyone agrees. Density means a larger selection of jobs, increased variety in entertainment (ie: more

You opinion on density is just that, your opinion, not everyone agrees. Density means a larger selection of jobs, increased variety in entertainment (ie: more likely to find something you personally love), increased selection of medical professionals, increased variety in food, ability to avoid driving commutes, kids who can self-manage without being driven everywhere, etc. To some people that's worth more cramped living, to others it's not. Quality of life is taken as a whole and not based on part of the whole.

dominotw 7y ago
> You opinion on density is just that, your opinion, not everyone agrees. Sure but curious why that comment is downvoted and yours is not? Disagreeement != downvote.
- epistasis 7y ago
  It's not stated as opinion, and has some ridiculous statements like this in it: > The well being of the people is lost in the drive for infinite growth. There is no drive for infinite growth, that I have found. People are just trying to have enough housing for everyone, yet this "infinite growth might happen therefore we are going to impose housing austerity" is the attitude that has been prevalent in older suburban homeowners, and that's exactly how we got into this mess of a housing crisis. Categorically dismissing the large number of people that choose to live in cities because they prefer them is ridiculous. If it really were worse, prices would be lower in the cities than outside them. More people want what cities have to offer than are allowed to access them.
  - dominotw 7y ago
    > There is no drive for infinite growth, that I have found. What about Carbon emission projections. Isn't that proof of 'drive for infinite growth' ?
    - dnate 7y ago
      no, thats just growth
    - epistasis 7y ago
      That doesn't make sense, unless your definition of infinite growth is not infinite. Rather, I suspect "infinite growth" is a hyperbole to stand in for "everybody has it as good as I do." And carbon emissions are a particularly bad example of that because carbon emissions are falling per person without a decrease in the standard of living for people, or for the amount of useful energy they use in their lives.
- umanwizard 7y ago
  > Disagreeement != downvote The founder of the site disagrees: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171
- wglb 7y ago
  In addition to what umanwizard posted, there is this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314
ip26 7y ago
However, density taken to the extreme eventually leads to bedspace apartments, which seem like a pretty dystopic outcome. I don't necessarily mind density and I'm not trying to invoke a slippery slope, but sometimes reading the pro-density folks it sounds like there is no recognition that there could be such a thing as too dense.
edoo 7y ago
Please remember saying this and reflect on how you feel the quality of life has changed when the city you live in doubles in population. Portland is going to be a great case study for this. They just outlawed single family residences. I will be highly surprised if in 30 years people think the place is better than now.

dominotw 7y ago

> You opinion on density is just that, your opinion, not everyone agrees. Sure but curious why that comment is downvoted and yours is not? Disagreeement != downvote.

epistasis 7y ago
It's not stated as opinion, and has some ridiculous statements like this in it: > The well being of the people is lost in the drive for infinite growth. There is no drive for infinite growth, that I have found. People are just trying to have enough housing for everyone, yet this "infinite growth might happen therefore we are going to impose housing austerity" is the attitude that has been prevalent in older suburban homeowners, and that's exactly how we got into this mess of a housing crisis. Categorically dismissing the large number of people that choose to live in cities because they prefer them is ridiculous. If it really were worse, prices would be lower in the cities than outside them. More people want what cities have to offer than are allowed to access them.
- dominotw 7y ago
  > There is no drive for infinite growth, that I have found. What about Carbon emission projections. Isn't that proof of 'drive for infinite growth' ?
  - dnate 7y ago
    no, thats just growth
  - epistasis 7y ago
    That doesn't make sense, unless your definition of infinite growth is not infinite. Rather, I suspect "infinite growth" is a hyperbole to stand in for "everybody has it as good as I do." And carbon emissions are a particularly bad example of that because carbon emissions are falling per person without a decrease in the standard of living for people, or for the amount of useful energy they use in their lives.
umanwizard 7y ago
> Disagreeement != downvote The founder of the site disagrees: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171
wglb 7y ago
In addition to what umanwizard posted, there is this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314

ip26 7y ago

However, density taken to the extreme eventually leads to bedspace apartments, which seem like a pretty dystopic outcome. I don't necessarily mind density and I'm not trying to invoke a slippery slope, but sometimes reading the pro-density folks it sounds like there is no recognition that there could be such a thing as too dense.

edoo 7y ago

Please remember saying this and reflect on how you feel the quality of life has changed when the city you live in doubles in population. Portland is going to be a great case study for this. They just outlawed single family residences. I will be highly surprised if in 30 years people think the place is better than now.