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Indeed. I'm trying to find a suitable vendor here in Germany (as a small software making business), but all I can find (when I look for Ryzen powered PCs) are s

Indeed. I'm trying to find a suitable vendor here in Germany (as a small software making business), but all I can find (when I look for Ryzen powered PCs) are small local dealers - with usually very mixed reviews and questionable support. I always got Dell, and while I would not want to rely on their support for any software issues, at least whenever we had trouble with hardware I could get that replaced easily and quickly. Those smaller dealers don't even have any decent bundled support options, and no guarantees similar to what I can get from the "big guys". The reviews accordingly show a lot of variation and randomness (basically, all those who have no issues with their purchase give five stars, but of those needing support, even if it is for issues clearly caused by the vendor, have a good chance of telling a nightmare support story). So while I still want a Ryzen PC, I also want five years of 24 hour hardware support, and I feel more confident to get that from Dell rather than from some small local dealer for whom any support issue is a big deal for their own bottom line and where employees are under more pressure than those working for a big vendor. The big ones still are "Intel only" - apart from >$2,000 gaming PCs (I usually buy ca. $1,000 PCs with minimal graphics card, videos only (hardware accelerated decoding is nice to have; but too much of a card costs too much energy for no reason, even base energy when not in gaming mode is much higher - GTX 1050Ti using just motherboard energy is perfect, as an example), no gaming ever, but good components and large RAM and SSD, for developers). PS: Any Germans here who found a solution for needs such as mine?

Svenstaro 7y ago
Depending on how many you need, you should consider building them yourself. I just ordered a new Zen2-based build from alternate.de in parts and I think that's the way to go.
- nosianu 7y ago
  That's far too much detail for me. When I look at the "PC configurator" I feel like I'm drowning in details. I would need a week to research all those components. CPU is easy (Ryzen 5 3600 seems appropriate), but next comes the motherboard - and I'm already lost. Never mind the 100 different cases and the list goes on and on. I'm also not so sure that whatever components I select really work flawlessly together.
  - bluegreyred 7y ago
    https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Der-optimale-PC-2020-4564302.html https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Der-optimale-PC-2020-4564302... to clarify, these are vetted parts lists by a leading german computer magazine, complete with optional upgrades, videos to aid with the build process and even detailed BIOS settings.
  - onli 7y ago
    I run a pc recommender that is basically made for you. Parts that fit together with some optimizing algorithm selecting an optimal configuration for your price point. I changed this configuration a bit manually given your statements: https://www.pc-kombo.com/share/mX6w2675 https://www.pc-kombo.com/share/mX6w2675 This will fit together and is stronger than with a GTX 1050 Ti. If you really want a gpu powered only by the motherboard step down to a GTX 1050, or look at the (rather overpriced) GTX 1650 (though it depends on the model there). Mail is in the profile if you have questions.
    - Nokinside 7y ago
      Internal Server Error
      - onli 7y ago
        Maybe you hit it during the upgrade there. Works now, as far as I can see.
    - mdpopescu 7y ago
      Damn... I looked for a PC configurator for several hours two weeks ago and eventually settled for a 3800X. Your site managed to get me a 3900X in my 1200 eur budget (with 64 GB of RAM). Oh well, I will buy another PC in the next six months. Definitely bookmarked!
  - ClumsyPilot 7y ago
    I have put together many PCs myself, and honestly many parts aren't that important. Power supply, motherboard, SSD and Ram will "just work", given you buy a recent product from a known brand. The +/- 5% of whatever will not make a difference to most people. For mobo, think of features you must have ( built-in wireless?) And that will direct you.

Svenstaro 7y ago

Depending on how many you need, you should consider building them yourself. I just ordered a new Zen2-based build from alternate.de in parts and I think that's the way to go.

nosianu 7y ago
That's far too much detail for me. When I look at the "PC configurator" I feel like I'm drowning in details. I would need a week to research all those components. CPU is easy (Ryzen 5 3600 seems appropriate), but next comes the motherboard - and I'm already lost. Never mind the 100 different cases and the list goes on and on. I'm also not so sure that whatever components I select really work flawlessly together.
- bluegreyred 7y ago
  https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Der-optimale-PC-2020-4564302.html https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Der-optimale-PC-2020-4564302... to clarify, these are vetted parts lists by a leading german computer magazine, complete with optional upgrades, videos to aid with the build process and even detailed BIOS settings.
- onli 7y ago
  I run a pc recommender that is basically made for you. Parts that fit together with some optimizing algorithm selecting an optimal configuration for your price point. I changed this configuration a bit manually given your statements: https://www.pc-kombo.com/share/mX6w2675 https://www.pc-kombo.com/share/mX6w2675 This will fit together and is stronger than with a GTX 1050 Ti. If you really want a gpu powered only by the motherboard step down to a GTX 1050, or look at the (rather overpriced) GTX 1650 (though it depends on the model there). Mail is in the profile if you have questions.
  - Nokinside 7y ago
    Internal Server Error
    - onli 7y ago
      Maybe you hit it during the upgrade there. Works now, as far as I can see.
  - mdpopescu 7y ago
    Damn... I looked for a PC configurator for several hours two weeks ago and eventually settled for a 3800X. Your site managed to get me a 3900X in my 1200 eur budget (with 64 GB of RAM). Oh well, I will buy another PC in the next six months. Definitely bookmarked!
- ClumsyPilot 7y ago
  I have put together many PCs myself, and honestly many parts aren't that important. Power supply, motherboard, SSD and Ram will "just work", given you buy a recent product from a known brand. The +/- 5% of whatever will not make a difference to most people. For mobo, think of features you must have ( built-in wireless?) And that will direct you.