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It's not just PIA. Nord VPN, ProtonVPN, etc all have ties to or owned by shady companies. It you want real anonymity, use tor. If you want to change your inter

It's not just PIA. Nord VPN, ProtonVPN, etc all have ties to or owned by shady companies. It you want real anonymity, use tor. If you want to change your internet access location, lease a VPS, and set up OpenVPN/Wireguard on it.

Tenoke 7y ago
Why would you think your VPS provider is less likely to save network logs than e.g. Mullvad?
jeltz 7y ago
There are also plenty of VPN companies not owned by shady companies, e.g. Mullvad and OVPN. Should you blindly trust them? No, but you can probably trust them much more than your VPS provider.
afroboy 7y ago
ProtonVPN? i thought they are privetly owned.
- protonmail 7y ago
  That's correct, ProtonVPN is not affiliated or related to any other company. ProtonVPN AG (Switzerland) is a 100% wholly owned subsidiary of Proton Technologies AG (Switzerland), which also develops ProtonMail. All of this is in public record at the Swiss commercial register: http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyOfrcId13=CH-660-1995014-1&ofrcLanguage=4 http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyO...
commandersaki 7y ago
Or if you need a quick solution: dsvpn.
protonmail 7y ago
This is not correct as far as Proton is concerned and easily verifiable. ProtonVPN is 100% owned by Proton Technologies AG (Switzerland) which also develops ProtonMail and is not affiliated or owned by any other company. Information about Proton is all public and visible on the Swiss commercial register: http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyOfrcId13=CH-660-1995014-1&ofrcLanguage=4 http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyO... The investors of Proton Technologies AG are also public information, and they include FONGIT (a Swiss non-profit foundation supported by the Swiss government), CRV (private investment firm best known for their investments in Twitter, Zendesk, etc) and the European Union, who collectively have a minority interest. Actually, the European Commission doesn't have a financial stake as their funding is non-dilutive. Whether or not these entities are shady is a matter of opinion of course, but these are all well-known public entities. ProtonVPN was also extensively checked by Mozilla before they partnered with us last year, and they also checked into this, details here: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2018/10/22/testing-new-ways-to-keep-you-safe-online/ https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2018/10/22/testing-n...

Tenoke 7y ago

Why would you think your VPS provider is less likely to save network logs than e.g. Mullvad?

jeltz 7y ago

There are also plenty of VPN companies not owned by shady companies, e.g. Mullvad and OVPN. Should you blindly trust them? No, but you can probably trust them much more than your VPS provider.

afroboy 7y ago

ProtonVPN? i thought they are privetly owned.

protonmail 7y ago
That's correct, ProtonVPN is not affiliated or related to any other company. ProtonVPN AG (Switzerland) is a 100% wholly owned subsidiary of Proton Technologies AG (Switzerland), which also develops ProtonMail. All of this is in public record at the Swiss commercial register: http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyOfrcId13=CH-660-1995014-1&ofrcLanguage=4 http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyO...

commandersaki 7y ago

Or if you need a quick solution: dsvpn.

protonmail 7y ago

This is not correct as far as Proton is concerned and easily verifiable. ProtonVPN is 100% owned by Proton Technologies AG (Switzerland) which also develops ProtonMail and is not affiliated or owned by any other company. Information about Proton is all public and visible on the Swiss commercial register: http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyOfrcId13=CH-660-1995014-1&ofrcLanguage=4 http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyO... The investors of Proton Technologies AG are also public information, and they include FONGIT (a Swiss non-profit foundation supported by the Swiss government), CRV (private investment firm best known for their investments in Twitter, Zendesk, etc) and the European Union, who collectively have a minority interest. Actually, the European Commission doesn't have a financial stake as their funding is non-dilutive. Whether or not these entities are shady is a matter of opinion of course, but these are all well-known public entities. ProtonVPN was also extensively checked by Mozilla before they partnered with us last year, and they also checked into this, details here: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2018/10/22/testing-new-ways-to-keep-you-safe-online/ https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2018/10/22/testing-n...