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Disappointed. I've been with PIA for a few years now and I always recommended them and loved their support. I just cancelled my annual subscription which was
by beilabs 7y ago
Disappointed. I've been with PIA for a few years now and I always recommended them and loved their support. I just cancelled my annual subscription which was due to expire in 100 days. Vote with your wallet. Any recommendations for a new VPN provider?
- Phylter 7y agoI just did this and added the reason why. They very quickly emailed me a canned response to this issue. Apparently it's a big deal and lots of people are leaving.
- _joe 7y agoI did unsubscribe a couple weeks ago and got a canned response too, almost immediately. When your business is privacy and trust, any acquisition is problematic. Let alone an acquisition from a company with a similar track record.
- 4AoZqrH2fsk5UB 7y agoI've been using ProtonVPN for a while. Speeds are pretty solid, they have a "secure core", and they claim not to do any logging.
- arthurcolle 7y agoProtonVPN, I use them for email as well. They got in a bit of hot water for helping with the legal case for one of their users, but generally I like to think that if I'm not committing any crimes I'll be ok, come what may.
- icelancer 7y agoDo you have information on that? Quick searches didn't find much for me. Thanks.
- arthurcolle 7y agoHere are some useful posts: https://www.securityweek.com/protonmail-accused-voluntarily-helping-police-spy-users https://www.securityweek.com/protonmail-accused-voluntarily-... https://www.neowin.net/news/protonmail-confirms-it-helped-in-apophis-squad-member-arrest/ https://www.neowin.net/news/protonmail-confirms-it-helped-in... "Drug dealer post" with ProtonMail response: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/dd5dkk/warning_long_time_account_disabled_protonmail/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/dd5dkk/warning_... Search for "court order" on ProtonMail subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/search/?q=court%20order&restrict_sr=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/search/?q=court%20order&...
- icelancer 7y agoGot it. I'm comfortable with their level of engagement here, so long as the encryption wasn't breachable.
- dmix 7y agoYou also technically don't have to give your real information to a VPN provider.
- arthurcolle 7y agoIt could potentially be a violation of Terms of Service to provide a false identity to any provider of any given set of services, but I guess you're technically right.
- harias 7y agoThey don't ask for any identity information right? ProtonVPN even accepts mailing them cash with no return address. Payment options: https://protonvpn.com/support/payment-options/ https://protonvpn.com/support/payment-options/
- icelancer 7y agoCryptostorm, ProtonVPN, Mullvad are all good choices.
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- anon9001 7y agoI recommend AirVPN. They're very reliable and run by activist hackers. I've heard good things about Mullvad too.
- mirimir 7y agoYes. Along with IVPN and Mullvad. They're among the oldest VPN services. Not as old as Cryptohippie, but almost.
- kragen 7y agoGet a VPS and run a VPN client to it and/or run Tor. VPN providers suffer adverse selection, catering to powerless customers who don't have their own data centers, but have something to hide. And they know who you are, which Tor exit nodes don't. That makes them juicy targets for spies, not all of whose compromises will be as obvious as a financial takeover.
- mirimir 7y agoThen you need to trust the VPS provider. Also, using a private VPN proxy, you're the only user. So there's even less anonymity than using a VPN service. The safest bet is arguably Tor. Although the connection to the US government is troubling. And then there's the issue that many sites block Tor users with difficult or impossible CAPTCHAs. Using nested VPN chains is a reasonable compromise. It's much faster than Tor, and you don't need to trust any one VPN provider.
- kragen 7y agoYes, you need to trust the VPS provider. But many people already trust Amazon with their credit card number, their home address, which books they read when, and which passages they highlight in them, to say nothing of all the other websites they use that Amazon hosts; trusting Amazon instead of Comcast is probably purely an improvement for them. Tor is not operated by the US government; it's founded by them and partly funded by them. One reason is certainly to spy on Tor users; another reason is so that their own spies have anonymous internet access to exfiltrate stolen information; a third reason is to enable political dissidents in countries like Australia with onerous censorship regimes to access uncensored information. If you want to use a nested VPN chain that isn't Tor, how do you authenticate to the last provider in the chain, the one that knows which website you're connecting to? Are you using a VPN provider that you pay in ZCash? Or do they allow anyone to use their server without paying, like a Tor exit?
- mirimir 7y agoThe VPN that I connect directly to, I pay with a credit card. They know who I am, so why bother trying to hide. All other VPNs in my chains, I pay with Bitcoin that's been mixed multiple times. I have a bunch of Whonix instances that I use for mixing and storing Bitcoin. They all hit Tor through nested VPN chains. Each one has an Electrum wallet. It gets its Bitcoin from another Whonix instance through a mixing service. In any given mixing chain, I use a different mixing service for each step. So then, generally, VPNs that I use less directly get paid with Bitcoin that's been mixed more times. And I never use the same Bitcoin wallet to pay for VPNs at different "levels". Edit: You say: > But many people already trust Amazon with ... I trust Amazon with all those things. As my meatspace identity. But I wouldn't trust them with information that associates my meatspace identity with Mirimir.
- bn7t 7y agoCan recommend ipredator.se
- NickHoff 7y agoMe too. I cancelled my subscription about a week ago when I first heard of it (and I explained why on their cancellation form). I'm looking at Mullvad and NordVPN. I know Nord had a MITM attack on a Finnish datacenter a few months ago and didn't immediately notify affected users. I'm having trouble understanding what it says about Nord's culture and likely behavior in the future. On a technical level, it's pretty bad when users of a VPN like this can be MITM'd. Blaming the datacenter's remote admin tools doesn't help me as a user because the same thing could happen again. I know they have a bug bounty program and audits now, but still I'm concerned that they didn't notify people which might indicate a cultural problem. How would Nord handle a problem like this in the future, and can we still trust them?
- mirimir 7y agoNordVPN apparently using residential proxies is pretty iffy.
- ac29 7y agoYou may want to read the comments and article linked here before thinking about NordVPN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21664692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21664692 They are seemingly sketchily using "residential proxies" at least for Disney+. These proxies seem to be coming from their customers, or customers of a company NordVPN is closely tied to - likely without their knowledge.
- jayalpha 7y ago
- Fede_V 7y agoThanks for the update, immediately did the same.
- jen729w 7y agoMullvad. No-email signup, pay with Bitcoin, servers all over the place, speeds great. I’ve been with them 6+ months and couldn’t be happier.
- RealStickman 7y agoPlus wireguard support if you care about that.
- vorticalbox 7y agoRecently started using windscribe and found it extremely good. https://windscribe.com/?friend=qoeb14pf https://windscribe.com/?friend=qoeb14pf
- LegitShady 7y agoI bet there are rules against referral links
- jchw 7y agoI know there are plenty of Mullvad recommendations in this thread, but I can wholeheartedly recommend Mullvad as well. They don't seem to spend as much on marketing as many of the VPN services do, but the service I've gotten is solid, and they seem to have a pretty clean track record.
- peteretep 7y agoFreedome. They're owned by F-Secure who have far more to lose than most other VPN providers by pulling stupid tricks
- RealStickman 7y agoI'd suggest you have a look at this site: https://thatoneprivacysite.net/#detailed-vpn-comparison https://thatoneprivacysite.net/#detailed-vpn-comparison Personally I'm using Mullvad atm. For windows I use their client, but you can also download configuration files for wireguard if you want to do that.
- nvarsj 7y agoUgh, this sucks. I've used PIA for ages as well. Their infrastructure is really great too - I get better latency on PIA than my own ISP sometimes!
- SahAssar 7y agoIf you got better latency through a VPN than your ISP that means your ISP sucks, not that the VPN is great.
- nvarsj 7y agoWell, I was using Openreach which is the largest consumer ISP in the UK. Specifically my latencies were better to the US when using PIA. So PIA had more favourable routing / commercial agreements than the largest UK ISP. So I'd say the VPN infrastructure is pretty good, even if it's simply relying on AWS or something.
- wiether 7y agoSince the previous HN post last weekend I cancelled my PIA subscription and went to Mullvad. So far so good.
- mmxcz 7y agoI recommend ProtonVPN. So far I've been very happy with them and since they're Swiss-based, I am much less concerned about privacy than in the case of a US-based company. I even received a few months of free subscription when I fixed a bug in their CLI client.