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Octagonal snowflakes are understandable since 8 is easy to make by folding and cutting paper and results in a symmetric design. I can kind of forgive that, espe

Octagonal snowflakes are understandable since 8 is easy to make by folding and cutting paper and results in a symmetric design. I can kind of forgive that, especially if it's done as a crafting project. What really confuses me is the 5-sided snowflakes. I really don't understand where that comes from, and there's pretty much no basis for it in nature other than starfish, which have practically no relation to crystalline structures. I also get annoyed at restaurants that give children 4 crayons. I understand 3 (primary colors), 6 (primary and secondary colors), and _maybe_ 4 colors if one is black, but I see red, blue, green, and yellow quite often. What happened to orange and purple/violet? Is it really that much more expensive to make two more crayons? It's like they mashed RGB with the primary colors and called it a day. So if you're making a rainbow with 4 colors, I blame restaurants that give out 4 colors of crayons.

amitp 7y ago
Re: color — it's not just restaurants. Board games, card games, Google/Microsoft/other logos, etc. also use 4 colors. Why? Opponent-process theory (https://psyc.ucalgary.ca/PACE/VA-Lab/colourperceptionweb/theories.htm https://psyc.ucalgary.ca/PACE/VA-Lab/colourperceptionweb/the...) says that the eye converts the three wavelength inputs into six orthogonal axes (dark-bright, yellow-blue, red-green). From these axes we get the four primary colors: red, yellow, green, blue. Of course things are never so simple. There are various attempts to measure the perception of color (https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/vismixmap.html#ncs https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/vismixmap.html#ncs), and none of them place red-yellow-green-blue exactly along the axes.
- Kaibeezy 7y ago
  “Four primary colors” is bugging me like a 4-sided snowflake. Can we agree: Additive - RGB Subtractive - RYB / CMY I found this bit in the Wikipedia article interesting / relevant: Thus for trichromats like humans, we use three (or more) primaries for most general purposes.[25] Two primaries would be unable to produce even some of the most common among the named colors. Adding a reasonable choice of the third primary can drastically increase the available gamut, while adding a fourth or fifth may increase the gamut but typically not by as much.
ebg13 7y ago
> I also get annoyed at restaurants that give children 4 crayons As long as they're different colors, four is all you need. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem
Kaibeezy 7y ago
“Is it really that that much more expensive to make two more crayons” Baseline, 50% increase in materials costs, unless they make all the crayons correspondingly smaller. New packaging, unless they make the crayons thinner, which solves for the first issue too, I suppose. Modify marketing materials and website. Add a SKU. Make space in the warehouse. Double the cost initially? Then amortize that out as they take a serious bite out of the 4-color crayon pack market... profit! Maybe.

amitp 7y ago

Re: color — it's not just restaurants. Board games, card games, Google/Microsoft/other logos, etc. also use 4 colors. Why? Opponent-process theory (https://psyc.ucalgary.ca/PACE/VA-Lab/colourperceptionweb/theories.htm https://psyc.ucalgary.ca/PACE/VA-Lab/colourperceptionweb/the...) says that the eye converts the three wavelength inputs into six orthogonal axes (dark-bright, yellow-blue, red-green). From these axes we get the four primary colors: red, yellow, green, blue. Of course things are never so simple. There are various attempts to measure the perception of color (https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/vismixmap.html#ncs https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/vismixmap.html#ncs), and none of them place red-yellow-green-blue exactly along the axes.

Kaibeezy 7y ago
“Four primary colors” is bugging me like a 4-sided snowflake. Can we agree: Additive - RGB Subtractive - RYB / CMY I found this bit in the Wikipedia article interesting / relevant: Thus for trichromats like humans, we use three (or more) primaries for most general purposes.[25] Two primaries would be unable to produce even some of the most common among the named colors. Adding a reasonable choice of the third primary can drastically increase the available gamut, while adding a fourth or fifth may increase the gamut but typically not by as much.

ebg13 7y ago

> I also get annoyed at restaurants that give children 4 crayons As long as they're different colors, four is all you need. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem

Kaibeezy 7y ago

“Is it really that that much more expensive to make two more crayons” Baseline, 50% increase in materials costs, unless they make all the crayons correspondingly smaller. New packaging, unless they make the crayons thinner, which solves for the first issue too, I suppose. Modify marketing materials and website. Add a SKU. Make space in the warehouse. Double the cost initially? Then amortize that out as they take a serious bite out of the 4-color crayon pack market... profit! Maybe.