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> A dollar wasted on trying to educate a moron could be invested in military R&D. How would you know if that's a dollar better-spent? All humans are pretty bad

by pron 7y ago

> A dollar wasted on trying to educate a moron could be invested in military R&D. How would you know if that's a dollar better-spent? All humans are pretty bad at flying, yet airplanes are pretty useful. All of technology is spending on the respective meaning of "educating morons." Military R&D is a great example. A weakling with a gun can easily beat a strong sword-wielding knight. In fact, the difference between a strong fighter with a sword and a weakling with a sword is pretty much erased by guns. > Do you mean Napoleon? Or von Bismarck? I meant Hitler. Napoleon was a different story, but WWI was also very much a product of Romanticism. > you outed yourself as a non-European Well, I'm Jewish. > You're implying that a hunter-gatherer society, an agricultural society and an industrialized society select for the same traits. Traits? Have we already established that natural selection in the past ~10000 years since the agricultural revolution has had any significant impact in shaping human society? (To be clear, that was a rhetorical question; no, we have not established that).

NaggingGranpa 7y ago
> How would you know if that's a dollar better-spent? You bet and you learn which bets pay off. If some bets never pay off, perhaps it's time to cut losses. > WWI was also very much a product of Romanticism WWI was very much a product of Germany's ascent as a unified, major power. And, while Oxbridge was wasting time on classics and Latin, the Germans had several research universities working on things that translated into industrial might. > I'm Jewish So is Moldbug. You both have the strengths and weaknesses typically associated with your race. > Have we already established that natural selection in the past ~10000 years since the agricultural revolution has had any significant impact in shaping human society? Says the Jew. Are you kidding me? How do you think the Ashkenazim became Europe's cognitive elite? Here's a hint: not being able to own land and being pushed into white-collar professions as a result. Selection can produce results in less than 100 years. Do you think Europe today is selecting for and against the same traits it was 100 years ago?
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- pron 7y ago
  Whoa, I don't know if I would start by teaching you history or the basic mathematics of natural selection. I'm always impressed by how the ability to form coherent explanatory narratives is inversely proportional to the amount of factual knowledge possessed (of course it is -- fewer points require a lower-degree polynomial -- but still, it does require some level of oblivious confidence that I've never had). I'm sorry, but I completely misjudged the nature of this conversation. Stepping away now, and I hope you get better. By the way, my great grandparents weren't elites so much as they were poor tradesmen, except maybe in the addled minds of the followers of ignorant "great men," armed with a romantic ideology of an imagined past and pseudo-science -- and, of course, guns -- who brutally murdered them. Apparently, my great-grandparent's "superior Ashkenazi cognition" wasn't enough to ensure their survival -- maybe because of some other "weaknesses associated with their race," but I think that the more plausible explanation is that it was because of racism, a force that seems to trump intelligence time and again.
  - NaggingGranpa 7y ago
    Pogromming does not require "great men", only envy and resentment.

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NaggingGranpa 7y ago

> How would you know if that's a dollar better-spent? You bet and you learn which bets pay off. If some bets never pay off, perhaps it's time to cut losses. > WWI was also very much a product of Romanticism WWI was very much a product of Germany's ascent as a unified, major power. And, while Oxbridge was wasting time on classics and Latin, the Germans had several research universities working on things that translated into industrial might. > I'm Jewish So is Moldbug. You both have the strengths and weaknesses typically associated with your race. > Have we already established that natural selection in the past ~10000 years since the agricultural revolution has had any significant impact in shaping human society? Says the Jew. Are you kidding me? How do you think the Ashkenazim became Europe's cognitive elite? Here's a hint: not being able to own land and being pushed into white-collar professions as a result. Selection can produce results in less than 100 years. Do you think Europe today is selecting for and against the same traits it was 100 years ago?

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pron 7y ago
Whoa, I don't know if I would start by teaching you history or the basic mathematics of natural selection. I'm always impressed by how the ability to form coherent explanatory narratives is inversely proportional to the amount of factual knowledge possessed (of course it is -- fewer points require a lower-degree polynomial -- but still, it does require some level of oblivious confidence that I've never had). I'm sorry, but I completely misjudged the nature of this conversation. Stepping away now, and I hope you get better. By the way, my great grandparents weren't elites so much as they were poor tradesmen, except maybe in the addled minds of the followers of ignorant "great men," armed with a romantic ideology of an imagined past and pseudo-science -- and, of course, guns -- who brutally murdered them. Apparently, my great-grandparent's "superior Ashkenazi cognition" wasn't enough to ensure their survival -- maybe because of some other "weaknesses associated with their race," but I think that the more plausible explanation is that it was because of racism, a force that seems to trump intelligence time and again.
- NaggingGranpa 7y ago
  Pogromming does not require "great men", only envy and resentment.