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In the tech circles I hang out we think of AWS as the next operating system. In 10-15 years it will be mostly invisible to the application programmer due to abs

In the tech circles I hang out we think of AWS as the next operating system. In 10-15 years it will be mostly invisible to the application programmer due to abstractions built on top of it. This is a new frontier for startups.

heavenlyblue 7y ago
That is very true. It is an operating system now.
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peterwwillis 7y ago
But it's way more than an operating system, it's managed. K8s is a kit car, AWS is a Toyota with a warranty. I agree that the future is distributed operating systems. I think we desperately need to load in the core features of a D-OS into Linux for it to stay relevant, or a competitive startup will create a tailored environment for programmers that will not even be recognizable as Linux, yet it will be used everywhere because of its ubiquity. (Docker, anyone?) For example, Terraform is kind of garbage usability-wise, but it just works with every cloud provider feature you can think of; it's a no-brainer. If a D-OS also naturally bundled hooks for every single feature of every managed cloud provider, along with a simplified way to hook custom applications and bundle the whole thing, literally everyone would use it for all their apps and run it everywhere.
qaq 7y ago
alternatively in 15 years there will be less than 0.01% workloads that a mainstream 2-way Epyc XXXX Server with 512 physical cores 64TB RAM and 10,000,000 IOPS will not handle so 90% of cloud services will become meaningless :).
- Terretta 7y ago
  > 90% of cloud services will become meaningless As will that Epyc XXXX server, absent a well-peered and hardened services mesh for it to plug into. Cloud shouldn’t be used for just someone else’s computer. It’s not the compute or the storage, it’s the network.
  - qaq 7y ago
    Thats cloud ad copy :) >90% of cloud services are there to deal with workloads that need to span machine boundaries. The only thing you need for that Epyc XXXX server(s) is decent colo service + cloudflare. Cloud is the new mainframe and with things being cyclical might repeat it's fate to a degree.
- cthalupa 7y ago
  People said this about computers 15 years ago, too. We've shown a remarkable ability to keep increasing the computational requirements foo the shit we run on computers to keep up with the computers themselves.
- FpUser 7y ago
  Do not worry. Someone will promptly write an interpreter of Lisp in Python running on VM written in JavaScript.
  - mathgladiator 7y ago
    You make me sad, but somehow, it is a truth.
buboard 7y ago
Operating systems get copied. Would be great (but unlikely) see full copies of AWS by other datacenters. But it's possible for certain subsets of it.
muyuu 7y ago
Possibly, but it's a dangerously fragile ecosystem where absurd concessions are the norm.

heavenlyblue 7y ago

That is very true. It is an operating system now.

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peterwwillis 7y ago

But it's way more than an operating system, it's managed. K8s is a kit car, AWS is a Toyota with a warranty. I agree that the future is distributed operating systems. I think we desperately need to load in the core features of a D-OS into Linux for it to stay relevant, or a competitive startup will create a tailored environment for programmers that will not even be recognizable as Linux, yet it will be used everywhere because of its ubiquity. (Docker, anyone?) For example, Terraform is kind of garbage usability-wise, but it just works with every cloud provider feature you can think of; it's a no-brainer. If a D-OS also naturally bundled hooks for every single feature of every managed cloud provider, along with a simplified way to hook custom applications and bundle the whole thing, literally everyone would use it for all their apps and run it everywhere.

qaq 7y ago

alternatively in 15 years there will be less than 0.01% workloads that a mainstream 2-way Epyc XXXX Server with 512 physical cores 64TB RAM and 10,000,000 IOPS will not handle so 90% of cloud services will become meaningless :).

Terretta 7y ago
> 90% of cloud services will become meaningless As will that Epyc XXXX server, absent a well-peered and hardened services mesh for it to plug into. Cloud shouldn’t be used for just someone else’s computer. It’s not the compute or the storage, it’s the network.
- qaq 7y ago
  Thats cloud ad copy :) >90% of cloud services are there to deal with workloads that need to span machine boundaries. The only thing you need for that Epyc XXXX server(s) is decent colo service + cloudflare. Cloud is the new mainframe and with things being cyclical might repeat it's fate to a degree.
cthalupa 7y ago
People said this about computers 15 years ago, too. We've shown a remarkable ability to keep increasing the computational requirements foo the shit we run on computers to keep up with the computers themselves.
FpUser 7y ago
Do not worry. Someone will promptly write an interpreter of Lisp in Python running on VM written in JavaScript.
- mathgladiator 7y ago
  You make me sad, but somehow, it is a truth.

buboard 7y ago

Operating systems get copied. Would be great (but unlikely) see full copies of AWS by other datacenters. But it's possible for certain subsets of it.

muyuu 7y ago

Possibly, but it's a dangerously fragile ecosystem where absurd concessions are the norm.