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Because they want to be able to defend themselves from you and people like you (who own the means of living) from abusing and exploiting them. Why do you mind
by glogla 7y ago
Because they want to be able to defend themselves from you and people like you (who own the means of living) from abusing and exploiting them.
Why do you mind if they have a say? If you don't plan on abusing and exploiting them, there's no harm, right?
EDIT: to put it into words I would think someone like you might understand better (power and money instead of empathy and solidarity) - because if you don't let them have a say, and exploit them, you might end up in a gulag, on guillotine or in wherever mass grave Mao put landlords.
- friedman23 7y agoI'm paying them, if they don't want to be exploited by me don't accept my money. > because if you don't let them have a say, and exploit them, you might end up in a gulag, on guillotine or in wherever mass grave Mao put landlords It always comes down to violence with you people.
- whatawaste 7y agoIf you don’t want to be on the receiving end of violence, how about not exploiting people?
- friedman23 7y agoSo let's have a thought experiment. I own a sewing machine and I choose to sew clothes on it myself then sell it. Am I exploiting myself? I own a sewing machine and I choose to not hire anybody to operate it and it sits unused. Someone that could operate it is sitting unemployed and unable to eat even though I could hire them. Am I exploiting someone? I own a sewing machine and offer someone an amount of money if they operate it and produce the clothing I ask them to produce. Am I exploiting them? I'm glad fringe maniacs that consider employment exploitation aren't taken seriously.
- glogla 7y ago> It always comes down to violence with you people. As it should. If they don't accept your power, they starve (or not get healthcare if we're talking about contemporary USA). How is that any less violent? Because when you kill someone by starvation it's less bloody? Your kind are already using violence against us, you're just good at not caring about others or lying to yourself.
- friedman23 7y agoWhy should you be given free things if you don't contribute to society? Are you going to give me some moral religious argument about how every life is sacred after arguing for class war? Anyway, violence goes two ways. I'm not afraid of violence from people that can't even manage to survive in the modern world.
- paulryanrogers 7y ago> I'm paying them, if they don't want to be exploited by me don't accept my money. If there is healthy competition among employers then workers have a real choice. If not then declining your money could mean: live destitute or starve. As companies consolidate and collude (intentionally or subconsciously) even cushy office workers may face exploitation.
- dang 7y agoPlease don't take HN threads further into ideological or political flamewar. Let alone personal attacks. We've had to ask you repeatedly in the past not to break the site guidelines. Would you please review them and stick to the rules when posting here? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 7y agoPlease don't take HN threads further into generic ideological flamewars. Once a thread gets to the gulags it's never coming back. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html