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"made the country dependent on Russian markets, oil, gas, money" How exactly did they do it? It's not like with different president Belarus wouldn't need all t

by gdy 7y ago

"made the country dependent on Russian markets, oil, gas, money" How exactly did they do it? It's not like with different president Belarus wouldn't need all that. You need to take responsibility for your country instead of blaming Russia and emigrating.

playing_colours 7y ago
They sold oil and gas with discounts, pushed for economic union, gave preferences. Belarusian government did not do anything to help private businesses, attract investors, go to new markets and industries. To keep their power, they sold country. About “taking responsibility” - people actually take responsibility for their future, family, children. That’s why they migrate. One can only take responsibility over what they can really change. Not everyone is born a hero to fight the system, very few heroes are successful, and we have only one life. It is safe to call for resistance from a cozy chair, but in fact, it is no romantic endeavor: people got tortured, imprisoned, disappear. Lives of common people can be sacrificed in revolutions for the ultimate benefit of new rulers.
- gdy 7y ago
  So now discounts and preferences are a bad thing suddenly? "Belarusian government did not do anything" How is that Russia's fault? "To keep their power, they sold country" What exactly did Russia get? Belarus is still a sovereign country. So you are saying that you would've stayed in Belarus if not for Russia?
  - playing_colours 7y ago
    Too many questions, my friend, shallow questions. And it seems like not for a good discussion, but for pushing your personal opinion, manipulations, or some agenda. Please, do some research - on how a large country can make a small neighbour dependent on money injections, how they can ask to pay for credits with key state factories, keep hordes of agents and influencers in their governments, military, among politicians, on the history of Russian relations (btw, yesterday Finns remembered Winter War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War). “So you are saying that you would’ve stayed in Belarus if not for Russia” I never said that, bad try.
    - gdy 7y ago
      Or maybe it was too many unsubstantiated statements on your part? The questions don't look shallow to me, they are specific, and your response is hand-waving and 'please do some research'. And here I thought you did that research yourself before blaming Russia.
qualmer 7y ago
I can see Russian trolls have infiltrated HN as well. They are abundant in my country's (Lithuania) news sites, but didn't really expect to find any here. Oh well, at least visitors of this site can see right through the utter nonsense you guys put out.
- jwieczorek 7y ago
  HN is also probably not the place where calling a person a "Russian troll" constitutes a valid counter-argument.
- gdy 7y ago
  Says an account created 4 months ago to an account created in 2012.

by gdy 7y ago

playing_colours 7y ago

They sold oil and gas with discounts, pushed for economic union, gave preferences. Belarusian government did not do anything to help private businesses, attract investors, go to new markets and industries. To keep their power, they sold country. About “taking responsibility” - people actually take responsibility for their future, family, children. That’s why they migrate. One can only take responsibility over what they can really change. Not everyone is born a hero to fight the system, very few heroes are successful, and we have only one life. It is safe to call for resistance from a cozy chair, but in fact, it is no romantic endeavor: people got tortured, imprisoned, disappear. Lives of common people can be sacrificed in revolutions for the ultimate benefit of new rulers.

gdy 7y ago
So now discounts and preferences are a bad thing suddenly? "Belarusian government did not do anything" How is that Russia's fault? "To keep their power, they sold country" What exactly did Russia get? Belarus is still a sovereign country. So you are saying that you would've stayed in Belarus if not for Russia?
- playing_colours 7y ago
  Too many questions, my friend, shallow questions. And it seems like not for a good discussion, but for pushing your personal opinion, manipulations, or some agenda. Please, do some research - on how a large country can make a small neighbour dependent on money injections, how they can ask to pay for credits with key state factories, keep hordes of agents and influencers in their governments, military, among politicians, on the history of Russian relations (btw, yesterday Finns remembered Winter War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War). “So you are saying that you would’ve stayed in Belarus if not for Russia” I never said that, bad try.
  - gdy 7y ago
    Or maybe it was too many unsubstantiated statements on your part? The questions don't look shallow to me, they are specific, and your response is hand-waving and 'please do some research'. And here I thought you did that research yourself before blaming Russia.

qualmer 7y ago

I can see Russian trolls have infiltrated HN as well. They are abundant in my country's (Lithuania) news sites, but didn't really expect to find any here. Oh well, at least visitors of this site can see right through the utter nonsense you guys put out.

jwieczorek 7y ago
HN is also probably not the place where calling a person a "Russian troll" constitutes a valid counter-argument.
gdy 7y ago
Says an account created 4 months ago to an account created in 2012.