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This is such a strange comment. I had no idea that anti EU rhetoric escalated so much that it is being compared to China. I mean, of course there are US/EU dis

This is such a strange comment. I had no idea that anti EU rhetoric escalated so much that it is being compared to China. I mean, of course there are US/EU disputes, even more when the tariffs started, but communist party?

cinquemb 7y ago
Yes, may the heavens forbid any other solutions are available to pursue outside of continuing to engage with a provider that has had dubious standing with such a jurisdiction for way to long, other than hitting them up for a quick payout every other year. Must be anti EU, no other notions/stances or thoughts on complex issues could be possible.
- ithinkso 7y ago
  These are complex issues and people are willing to discuss them but my comment was about how you straight up compared EU to a communist regime You are alienating yourself from any reasonable discussion by making such extraordinary and baseless claims that are of no merit but are meant to elicit an emotional response Arguments like that work in echo chambers but once you step into a discussion that is in good faith you will notice that it is counter productive and doesn't lead to anything useful
  - cinquemb 7y ago
    Alluding to CCP usage of DPI (baseless?) and saying how it can also be implemented in another jurisdiction if they so desire in order to enforce the usage of their own home grown solutions (or possibly pursing other more constructive options that one person in this thread caught on to, and actually decided to share their vision of with us [I guess I didn't alienate that person enough?]), threatens people so much? Or is it the way I said it? The real emotional response is how often the EU has to hit up the giants for cash to appease their population, for nothing seemingly changing between the next time they decide to crack open the piggy bank and the headlines hit the tape. Do we even know how all the funds that were received from past fines were allocated exactly (line items)? Or is that just some black box people are supposed to feel good about because it game from the bad guy? If people are taking offense to talking about things like this really shuts down their ability to think and discuss things… setting aside the fact that I don't even live in the US or the EU… well good luck to them…
ben_w 7y ago
As a Brit: welcome to the last three and a half years of my life. I’ve seen and heard the EU demonised as “communist” by those on the right at the same time as it’s demonised as “neoliberal” by those on the left. I’ve seen people criticise the EU for having too much power and to little, and sometimes it’s the same person saying both things. I’ve given up on someone when I had a conversation with them that went: Them: “Leaving will be easy because they will give us a good deal.” Me: “No.” Them: “That proves we should leave!”
- growlist 7y ago
  One of the big problems with the Remain campaign was the staggering inability of its supporters to justify in a compelling way continued membership of the EU, and from my observation their tactics have only deteriorated i.e. 1. telling me and other Leave voters that we are stupid 2. spreading alarmist FUD 3. throwing around accusations of racism and bigotry 4. outright gaslighting 5. deliberate creation of chaos via NGOs, i.e. Extinction Rebellion etc. 6. deliberate subversion of parliamentary democracy. By now there's a pretty decent shopping list of bad faith on both sides. But the hard fact remains: your side lost and won't accept it.
  - ben_w 7y ago
    Why are you fighting this battle? As you say, my side lost. That my side won’t accept it is a you-problem, not a me-problem, as I left the country. If you want to rule over the Remainers who didn’t physically leave the UK, you’ll have to bring them on board. But trying to engage me will do nothing. I’ve given up on the UK. Have you considered the possibility that everyone who you accuse of 1 is sincere about what you label 2? I do not need to know if you think the EU is too left out too right to believe that you are sincere about not knowing its benefits.

cinquemb 7y ago

Yes, may the heavens forbid any other solutions are available to pursue outside of continuing to engage with a provider that has had dubious standing with such a jurisdiction for way to long, other than hitting them up for a quick payout every other year. Must be anti EU, no other notions/stances or thoughts on complex issues could be possible.

ithinkso 7y ago
These are complex issues and people are willing to discuss them but my comment was about how you straight up compared EU to a communist regime You are alienating yourself from any reasonable discussion by making such extraordinary and baseless claims that are of no merit but are meant to elicit an emotional response Arguments like that work in echo chambers but once you step into a discussion that is in good faith you will notice that it is counter productive and doesn't lead to anything useful
- cinquemb 7y ago
  Alluding to CCP usage of DPI (baseless?) and saying how it can also be implemented in another jurisdiction if they so desire in order to enforce the usage of their own home grown solutions (or possibly pursing other more constructive options that one person in this thread caught on to, and actually decided to share their vision of with us [I guess I didn't alienate that person enough?]), threatens people so much? Or is it the way I said it? The real emotional response is how often the EU has to hit up the giants for cash to appease their population, for nothing seemingly changing between the next time they decide to crack open the piggy bank and the headlines hit the tape. Do we even know how all the funds that were received from past fines were allocated exactly (line items)? Or is that just some black box people are supposed to feel good about because it game from the bad guy? If people are taking offense to talking about things like this really shuts down their ability to think and discuss things… setting aside the fact that I don't even live in the US or the EU… well good luck to them…

ben_w 7y ago

As a Brit: welcome to the last three and a half years of my life. I’ve seen and heard the EU demonised as “communist” by those on the right at the same time as it’s demonised as “neoliberal” by those on the left. I’ve seen people criticise the EU for having too much power and to little, and sometimes it’s the same person saying both things. I’ve given up on someone when I had a conversation with them that went: Them: “Leaving will be easy because they will give us a good deal.” Me: “No.” Them: “That proves we should leave!”

growlist 7y ago
One of the big problems with the Remain campaign was the staggering inability of its supporters to justify in a compelling way continued membership of the EU, and from my observation their tactics have only deteriorated i.e. 1. telling me and other Leave voters that we are stupid 2. spreading alarmist FUD 3. throwing around accusations of racism and bigotry 4. outright gaslighting 5. deliberate creation of chaos via NGOs, i.e. Extinction Rebellion etc. 6. deliberate subversion of parliamentary democracy. By now there's a pretty decent shopping list of bad faith on both sides. But the hard fact remains: your side lost and won't accept it.
- ben_w 7y ago
  Why are you fighting this battle? As you say, my side lost. That my side won’t accept it is a you-problem, not a me-problem, as I left the country. If you want to rule over the Remainers who didn’t physically leave the UK, you’ll have to bring them on board. But trying to engage me will do nothing. I’ve given up on the UK. Have you considered the possibility that everyone who you accuse of 1 is sincere about what you label 2? I do not need to know if you think the EU is too left out too right to believe that you are sincere about not knowing its benefits.