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It was only temporary part of russian empire (for about a century), with every attempt to fight it drowned in blood. During that time russia tried to exterminat

by pound 7y ago

It was only temporary part of russian empire (for about a century), with every attempt to fight it drowned in blood. During that time russia tried to exterminate any self-identity, forbidding to even have a name and calling it "north-western area". To get an idea of what was happening in that region historically you may read about Great Duchy of Lithuania Another point to consider: much of the Rus (Ruth) that russia claims to be descendent of is modern Ukraine and Belarus lands, and historically they were figthing most of the time with moscow armies.

m0zg 7y ago
145 years continuously (and on and off before then, dating back to Peter The Great), then 74 years under the Soviets. A pretty good chunk of time IMO.
- pound 7y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus and 'Establishment history' there. 1795-1918 - 123 years. "Soviets" was a union of 15 republics, not one big russia. To your original comment: russia absolutely didn't behave nice on that land at any time in history regardless of who they were at war with.
  - m0zg 7y ago
    1772 to 1917 my man. Russia could not afford to "behave nice" back then. Every 100 years or so some European idiot monarch would hatch a harebrained scheme to attack it, only to get his ass handed to him a few years later. https://www.google.com/search?q=belarus+part+of+russian+empire&oq=belaru&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i57j0l2j69i61j69i60l2.7519j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=belarus+part+of+russian+empi...
    - pound 7y ago
      your original comment was that it wasn't russia that was bad for Belarus historically but those europeans.. and I'm not your man
konart 7y ago
>Another point to consider: much of the Rus (Ruth) that russia claims to be descendent of is modern Ukraine and Belarus lands, and historically they were figthing most of the time with moscow armies. Russia claims to be descendent of many things, from vikings to Byzantine Empire, from slavic tribes to mongols. Russia is a mix of many things, where Kiev and Kievan Rus is just one of the main starting points. Not to mention that Kiev became the capital only ofter Oleg captured it after leaving Novgorod. Not to mention that any fights between Moscow and whatever entity you are talking about have happened centuries later. And even if we are talking about geography only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27#/media/File:Principalities_of_Kievan_Rus'_(1054-1132).jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27#/media/File:Prin... here is the map of the Kievan Rus (1054-1132). Lands of the modern Ukraine and Belarus take less than a half of the territories as can be clearly seen. Even considering that this is a 'flat' map.
- pound 7y ago
  russia is indeed big so I will not make broad generalizations, but I've never met any russians who would claim vikings, byzantines or mongols as someone russia has originated from (for many mongols is a conflictive/sensitive topic though, but not in an acceptive way). I'm looking at dominating there slavic 'Rus' history view.
  - konart 7y ago
    Well, those are historical facts. Not sure about the russians you've met, but they surely have read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_route_from_the_Varangians_to_the_Greeks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_route_from_the_Varangian... at least. Not to mention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik_dynasty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik_dynasty And you can't really have any talk about Russian state over here without mentioning that 'Russia is still a Byzantine Empire descendant'. Even newspapers usualy mention that: https://www.gazeta.ru/comments/2016/05/30_e_8271917.shtml https://www.gazeta.ru/comments/2016/05/30_e_8271917.shtml (in russian, obviously) Anyway, this topic has lots of material if one is interested.

by pound 7y ago

m0zg 7y ago

145 years continuously (and on and off before then, dating back to Peter The Great), then 74 years under the Soviets. A pretty good chunk of time IMO.

pound 7y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus and 'Establishment history' there. 1795-1918 - 123 years. "Soviets" was a union of 15 republics, not one big russia. To your original comment: russia absolutely didn't behave nice on that land at any time in history regardless of who they were at war with.
- m0zg 7y ago
  1772 to 1917 my man. Russia could not afford to "behave nice" back then. Every 100 years or so some European idiot monarch would hatch a harebrained scheme to attack it, only to get his ass handed to him a few years later. https://www.google.com/search?q=belarus+part+of+russian+empire&oq=belaru&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i57j0l2j69i61j69i60l2.7519j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=belarus+part+of+russian+empi...
  - pound 7y ago
    your original comment was that it wasn't russia that was bad for Belarus historically but those europeans.. and I'm not your man

konart 7y ago

>Another point to consider: much of the Rus (Ruth) that russia claims to be descendent of is modern Ukraine and Belarus lands, and historically they were figthing most of the time with moscow armies. Russia claims to be descendent of many things, from vikings to Byzantine Empire, from slavic tribes to mongols. Russia is a mix of many things, where Kiev and Kievan Rus is just one of the main starting points. Not to mention that Kiev became the capital only ofter Oleg captured it after leaving Novgorod. Not to mention that any fights between Moscow and whatever entity you are talking about have happened centuries later. And even if we are talking about geography only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27#/media/File:Principalities_of_Kievan_Rus'_(1054-1132).jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27#/media/File:Prin... here is the map of the Kievan Rus (1054-1132). Lands of the modern Ukraine and Belarus take less than a half of the territories as can be clearly seen. Even considering that this is a 'flat' map.

pound 7y ago
russia is indeed big so I will not make broad generalizations, but I've never met any russians who would claim vikings, byzantines or mongols as someone russia has originated from (for many mongols is a conflictive/sensitive topic though, but not in an acceptive way). I'm looking at dominating there slavic 'Rus' history view.
- konart 7y ago
  Well, those are historical facts. Not sure about the russians you've met, but they surely have read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_route_from_the_Varangians_to_the_Greeks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_route_from_the_Varangian... at least. Not to mention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik_dynasty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik_dynasty And you can't really have any talk about Russian state over here without mentioning that 'Russia is still a Byzantine Empire descendant'. Even newspapers usualy mention that: https://www.gazeta.ru/comments/2016/05/30_e_8271917.shtml https://www.gazeta.ru/comments/2016/05/30_e_8271917.shtml (in russian, obviously) Anyway, this topic has lots of material if one is interested.