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Thanks for the reply, but take Skype for example, they have gotten over these technical hurdles. I could give you a huge explanation involving relay points and

Thanks for the reply, but take Skype for example, they have gotten over these technical hurdles. I could give you a huge explanation involving relay points and NAT traversal etc. but at the end of the day, these challenges have been defeated.

mayank 16y ago
Skype uses a number of super-nodes that provide some guarantees on service level and has a set of central login servers: http://www.mjalali.com/blog/?p=10 http://www.mjalali.com/blog/?p=10
- pdxwebdev 16y ago
  Yes, through mutual friends and indexers with persistent connections, these challenges are mitigated.
dinedal 16y ago
> I could give you a huge explanation involving relay points and NAT traversal etc. but at the end of the day, these challenges have been defeated. [citation needed] All of them (to my knowledge, and yes, I've researched this) still require some sort of central network that gets contacted first. "Trackerless" bit torrent, for example, uses a DHT that is hosted by... bittorrent.com
- pdxwebdev 16y ago
  Indexers assist with making connections but the connections are still eventually happening directly.
  - dinedal 16y ago
    If you intend to implement this, I suggest you do some serious in depth reading on peer discovery over IP based networks, including real world applications and exactly how they operate, and what their limitations are. With all due respect, based on your posts your current understanding of how things like Skype and Bittorrent operate under the hood in a "server-less" environment has a few holes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Peer_Discovery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Peer_Discovery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_network_42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_network_42 http://samy.pl/pwnat/ http://samy.pl/pwnat/

mayank 16y ago

Skype uses a number of super-nodes that provide some guarantees on service level and has a set of central login servers: http://www.mjalali.com/blog/?p=10 http://www.mjalali.com/blog/?p=10

pdxwebdev 16y ago
Yes, through mutual friends and indexers with persistent connections, these challenges are mitigated.

dinedal 16y ago

> I could give you a huge explanation involving relay points and NAT traversal etc. but at the end of the day, these challenges have been defeated. [citation needed] All of them (to my knowledge, and yes, I've researched this) still require some sort of central network that gets contacted first. "Trackerless" bit torrent, for example, uses a DHT that is hosted by... bittorrent.com

pdxwebdev 16y ago
Indexers assist with making connections but the connections are still eventually happening directly.
- dinedal 16y ago
  If you intend to implement this, I suggest you do some serious in depth reading on peer discovery over IP based networks, including real world applications and exactly how they operate, and what their limitations are. With all due respect, based on your posts your current understanding of how things like Skype and Bittorrent operate under the hood in a "server-less" environment has a few holes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Peer_Discovery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Peer_Discovery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_network_42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_network_42 http://samy.pl/pwnat/ http://samy.pl/pwnat/