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Would you pay 2x so you could know they had fields and beach balls? Or 1x for industrial cow-cubicles? Be honest now..

username90 7y ago
That reasoning works just as well for human labor, we could always spend more to help the poor but we don't. At some point idealism hits reality and you have to make a trade-off. And at least I think it is better to give them 1x than 0x. And if some laws comes in saying that meat needs to cost 2x to give them decent conditions then I'd still buy meat. We even already have many such laws, so I'm not sure why people say that we don't care.
- dr_dshiv 7y ago
  I'm not talking about being nice out of naive altruism, I'm talking about the selfish desire for karmic serenity. Sure, we could always act like assholes, but for many of us it doesn't feel good. That was Adam Smith's first book, "theory of moral sentiments", if you are into that sort of thing.
- __s 7y ago
  My primary issue for paying premium for "the more ethical product" is that transparency is lacking, so I can't know whether I'd be only paying more to make myself feel better
usrusr 7y ago
Not GP, just answering for myself: I definitely would. But I don't. Because without making it a full time hobby, it's impossible for me to know that the money will actually be spent on the animals' lifestyle and not on the lifestyle of their owners. Or even more likely, that of some intermediary. Also I don't really know if 2x would even be enough to offset the extra cost given the high efficiency of factory farming. The only practical way is improving minimum standards through regulation. Sorry free market, you are too opaque.
kpU8efre7r 7y ago
2x. I respect meat and treat it as a special treat with small portions. If the price of meat were higher more people would do the same.
jancsika 7y ago
I'll pay you 1000x for the patent on the system that allows me to verify at the supermarket that the meat I'm buying came from the beach ball cows
- dr_dshiv 7y ago
  Pay these guys. Be sure to have your Dutch translation on. It's on nearly every piece of meat in the major stores in the Netherlands. https://beterleven.dierenbescherming.nl/ https://beterleven.dierenbescherming.nl/

That reasoning works just as well for human labor, we could always spend more to help the poor but we don't. At some point idealism hits reality and you have to make a trade-off. And at least I think it is better to give them 1x than 0x. And if some laws comes in saying that meat needs to cost 2x to give them decent conditions then I'd still buy meat. We even already have many such laws, so I'm not sure why people say that we don't care.

dr_dshiv 7y ago
I'm not talking about being nice out of naive altruism, I'm talking about the selfish desire for karmic serenity. Sure, we could always act like assholes, but for many of us it doesn't feel good. That was Adam Smith's first book, "theory of moral sentiments", if you are into that sort of thing.
__s 7y ago
My primary issue for paying premium for "the more ethical product" is that transparency is lacking, so I can't know whether I'd be only paying more to make myself feel better

usrusr 7y ago

Not GP, just answering for myself: I definitely would. But I don't. Because without making it a full time hobby, it's impossible for me to know that the money will actually be spent on the animals' lifestyle and not on the lifestyle of their owners. Or even more likely, that of some intermediary. Also I don't really know if 2x would even be enough to offset the extra cost given the high efficiency of factory farming. The only practical way is improving minimum standards through regulation. Sorry free market, you are too opaque.

kpU8efre7r 7y ago

2x. I respect meat and treat it as a special treat with small portions. If the price of meat were higher more people would do the same.

jancsika 7y ago

I'll pay you 1000x for the patent on the system that allows me to verify at the supermarket that the meat I'm buying came from the beach ball cows

dr_dshiv 7y ago
Pay these guys. Be sure to have your Dutch translation on. It's on nearly every piece of meat in the major stores in the Netherlands. https://beterleven.dierenbescherming.nl/ https://beterleven.dierenbescherming.nl/