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Crime through the roof? People who live in actual high crime areas would like a word with you. It sounds like you've experienced more than your fair share of c

by scurvy 7y ago

Crime through the roof? People who live in actual high crime areas would like a word with you. It sounds like you've experienced more than your fair share of crime since moving to the BA, but calling it high crime is beyond a stretch.

driverdan 7y ago
Property crime is high in the bay.
- scurvy 7y ago
  Yes, SF does rank #1 nationally for property crimes. It stinks, but most people value life more than property. Violent crime in the Bay Area is still much lower than national averages, and that's what most people concentrate on. Also, San Francisco isn't the entire Bay Area.
  - FireBeyond 7y ago
    You go from saying "people who live in actual high crime areas would like a word with you" to acknowledging that SF has the highest property crime rates in the country. And then wave it all away as, I guess, it's only really non-violent crime. Odd logic.
    - scurvy 7y ago
      I also said, that SF isn't the entire Bay Area. If you gave weightings to crime categories (we all do this internally), property crime would probably be the lowest weighted next to white collar crime. Violent crime would get exponentially higher weightings. It's one thing to have $200 worth of stuff stolen in a car break-in. It's another to be violently mugged for $200 in cash on your person. I've lived in bad areas and the Bay isn't one of them. I'll trade property crime for knowing my family isn't likely to end up the victim of a horrendous violent crime. Manhattan also has high property crime rates but low violent crime. Even has high real estate costs, but you don't see anyone knocking it as a hell hole. There are people with some weird agenda/vendetta against the Bay Area, and they're obviously pouncing here.
      - pandaman 7y ago
        It is not a zero sum situation - you don't get high violent crime due to low property crime and vice versa. It's entirely possible to live in an area with low property and low violent crime. Besides, doing a quick search shows [e.g. 1] that the NYC has both violent and property crimes rates much lower than SF, this could explain why people are not saying it's a hell hole. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...
        scurvy 7y ago
        Those stats are based on city and not MSA. If it were MSA, the Bay Area would be equivalent to New York. The city of New York includes all boroughs, not just Manhattan. If you compared Manhattan to SF, I bet they would be similar. Also, I'm talking about the entire Bay Area and you keep zeroing in on SF.
        pandaman 7y ago
        I would love to compare just Manhattan but I cannot find the statistics. Seeing that you assert that - care to show the numbers to support your assertion? Also, seeing that the Bay Area includes Oakland and Palo Alto, I don't think comparing the entire Bay Area to NYC will give you results you have imagined.
Hydraulix989 7y ago
Even though there is not much organized crime and no longer the same level of gang activity as 10 years ago, as a matter of policy, SF tends to either not convict or give lighter sentences to your everyday crime like shoplifting and breaking car windows though. The consequence is that there is a lot of broken glass on the street. I'm originally from a much rougher part of the US than SF. Walking on the street here at night is still a relative dream (but not at all like in Asia). (Also, another uniquely SF policy: blatant abuse of opioids, etc. here are not considered to be criminal.)
- scurvy 7y ago
  I'm from New Orleans and will take all of the broken glass and addicts over NOLA's violent crime. It's not even a close comparison.
  - selimthegrim 7y ago
    You live in the Bay Area now? I've never had any problems in NOLA short of a close call to a home invasion at a acquaintance's five years ago (who was involved in things he shouldn't have been)
    - scurvy 7y ago
      Been in the Bay since 2000. I grew up in NOLA through the worst years. Can't unsee what I've seen there. NOLA is bad because crime is everywhere. There are no good areas and bad areas -- it's everywhere. Even people in old Metairie need to deal with home invasions. Uptown? Oooooo-lawd! Who was the rich uptown couple that had a home invasion where they tied up the husband and repeatedly raped the wife over several days as they went to the ATM over a long weekend? I honestly can't remember their names because that stuff happens so often (and said family was even friends with my dad).
      - selimthegrim 7y ago
        Yes, it was Uptown. (I don’t live Uptown) I don’t recall the details of the incident you state. Things have certainly changed since 2000.
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by scurvy 7y ago

driverdan 7y ago

Property crime is high in the bay.

scurvy 7y ago
Yes, SF does rank #1 nationally for property crimes. It stinks, but most people value life more than property. Violent crime in the Bay Area is still much lower than national averages, and that's what most people concentrate on. Also, San Francisco isn't the entire Bay Area.
- FireBeyond 7y ago
  You go from saying "people who live in actual high crime areas would like a word with you" to acknowledging that SF has the highest property crime rates in the country. And then wave it all away as, I guess, it's only really non-violent crime. Odd logic.
  - scurvy 7y ago
    I also said, that SF isn't the entire Bay Area. If you gave weightings to crime categories (we all do this internally), property crime would probably be the lowest weighted next to white collar crime. Violent crime would get exponentially higher weightings. It's one thing to have $200 worth of stuff stolen in a car break-in. It's another to be violently mugged for $200 in cash on your person. I've lived in bad areas and the Bay isn't one of them. I'll trade property crime for knowing my family isn't likely to end up the victim of a horrendous violent crime. Manhattan also has high property crime rates but low violent crime. Even has high real estate costs, but you don't see anyone knocking it as a hell hole. There are people with some weird agenda/vendetta against the Bay Area, and they're obviously pouncing here.
    - pandaman 7y ago
      It is not a zero sum situation - you don't get high violent crime due to low property crime and vice versa. It's entirely possible to live in an area with low property and low violent crime. Besides, doing a quick search shows [e.g. 1] that the NYC has both violent and property crimes rates much lower than SF, this could explain why people are not saying it's a hell hole. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...
      - scurvy 7y ago
        Those stats are based on city and not MSA. If it were MSA, the Bay Area would be equivalent to New York. The city of New York includes all boroughs, not just Manhattan. If you compared Manhattan to SF, I bet they would be similar. Also, I'm talking about the entire Bay Area and you keep zeroing in on SF.
        pandaman 7y ago
        I would love to compare just Manhattan but I cannot find the statistics. Seeing that you assert that - care to show the numbers to support your assertion? Also, seeing that the Bay Area includes Oakland and Palo Alto, I don't think comparing the entire Bay Area to NYC will give you results you have imagined.

Hydraulix989 7y ago

Even though there is not much organized crime and no longer the same level of gang activity as 10 years ago, as a matter of policy, SF tends to either not convict or give lighter sentences to your everyday crime like shoplifting and breaking car windows though. The consequence is that there is a lot of broken glass on the street. I'm originally from a much rougher part of the US than SF. Walking on the street here at night is still a relative dream (but not at all like in Asia). (Also, another uniquely SF policy: blatant abuse of opioids, etc. here are not considered to be criminal.)

scurvy 7y ago
I'm from New Orleans and will take all of the broken glass and addicts over NOLA's violent crime. It's not even a close comparison.
- selimthegrim 7y ago
  You live in the Bay Area now? I've never had any problems in NOLA short of a close call to a home invasion at a acquaintance's five years ago (who was involved in things he shouldn't have been)
  - scurvy 7y ago
    Been in the Bay since 2000. I grew up in NOLA through the worst years. Can't unsee what I've seen there. NOLA is bad because crime is everywhere. There are no good areas and bad areas -- it's everywhere. Even people in old Metairie need to deal with home invasions. Uptown? Oooooo-lawd! Who was the rich uptown couple that had a home invasion where they tied up the husband and repeatedly raped the wife over several days as they went to the ATM over a long weekend? I honestly can't remember their names because that stuff happens so often (and said family was even friends with my dad).
    - selimthegrim 7y ago
      Yes, it was Uptown. (I don’t live Uptown) I don’t recall the details of the incident you state. Things have certainly changed since 2000.

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