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That's why I find anti-profit movements to be fundamentally disingenuous - the tendency to act in one's own interest is too powerful to ever be sustainably resi

That's why I find anti-profit movements to be fundamentally disingenuous - the tendency to act in one's own interest is too powerful to ever be sustainably resisted by a broad movement. To preach against something one is very likely to succumb to is manipulative. I can trust someone who admits that self-interest motivates their actions more than one who claims altruism does.

carapace 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Gathering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Gathering Not a "broad" movement, maybe, but an existence proof of a sustained "hippie" way of life. Is this motivated by mere self-interest or something greater than that? Is it possible to construct or discover a way of life wherein the interests of the individual and the group are in harmony?
- jMyles 7y ago
  The Rainbow Gathering is absolutely incredible. I had no idea how sophisticated and mature it was until I attended it. I highly suggest it.
- CryptoPunk 7y ago
  That's not really a movement though. It's more like an annual festival. It doesn't make opposition to profit a way of life and ideology.
  - carapace 7y ago
    It's really hard to make generalizations about the Rainbow family et. al. I attended a couple of gatherings a while back, and that's it, so take my anecdotally-derived remarks with that grain of salt... It's not a movement in the organized political sense, but it could be considered a kind of cultural movement. Many of the people who gather live alternative lifestyles all year 'round, and many of them do eschew the profit-motive as a way of life and ideology, AFAIK. Certainly the gatherings themselves are sans currency. People do some light bartering but it's mostly what you might call (if you had to) a "gifting economy". The gatherings are not festivals although they are festive. They're more like religious gatherings but without the religion. Although you will religious people there, of all kinds of religions, all getting along. Referencing your original comment, one thing they're not is disingenuous but they're also not promoting themselves. (No one pays to go to a gathering, all prep and cleanup is done by volunteers.)
hkyeti 7y ago
I run a zero profit project. There are folks who are motivated by taking care of others. There are a lot of young people who draw meaning from that, especially in these times where the world has been messed up by greed

carapace 7y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Gathering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Gathering Not a "broad" movement, maybe, but an existence proof of a sustained "hippie" way of life. Is this motivated by mere self-interest or something greater than that? Is it possible to construct or discover a way of life wherein the interests of the individual and the group are in harmony?

jMyles 7y ago
The Rainbow Gathering is absolutely incredible. I had no idea how sophisticated and mature it was until I attended it. I highly suggest it.
CryptoPunk 7y ago
That's not really a movement though. It's more like an annual festival. It doesn't make opposition to profit a way of life and ideology.
- carapace 7y ago
  It's really hard to make generalizations about the Rainbow family et. al. I attended a couple of gatherings a while back, and that's it, so take my anecdotally-derived remarks with that grain of salt... It's not a movement in the organized political sense, but it could be considered a kind of cultural movement. Many of the people who gather live alternative lifestyles all year 'round, and many of them do eschew the profit-motive as a way of life and ideology, AFAIK. Certainly the gatherings themselves are sans currency. People do some light bartering but it's mostly what you might call (if you had to) a "gifting economy". The gatherings are not festivals although they are festive. They're more like religious gatherings but without the religion. Although you will religious people there, of all kinds of religions, all getting along. Referencing your original comment, one thing they're not is disingenuous but they're also not promoting themselves. (No one pays to go to a gathering, all prep and cleanup is done by volunteers.)

hkyeti 7y ago

I run a zero profit project. There are folks who are motivated by taking care of others. There are a lot of young people who draw meaning from that, especially in these times where the world has been messed up by greed