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From the article: "Delmer Joel Ramirez Palma had reported potentially dangerous lapses in construction safety to his supervisors before the collapse, according

by jspash 7y ago

From the article: "Delmer Joel Ramirez Palma had reported potentially dangerous lapses in construction safety to his supervisors before the collapse, according to lawyers" From previous article: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/22/new-orleans-hotel-collapse-deported-honduras https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/22/new-orleans-... "Construction managers allegedly told him to ignore the issues" Whistleblowing doesn't just mean going above the head of your supervisor. It can mean reporting issue directly to them. Wouldn't you agree? Yes, he probably should have taken it further but maybe his immigration status made him reluctant to do so. And I think that's what clouding this case. But the timeline is pretty clear.

masonic 7y ago
He claimed to have reported to his boss(es), but not to the building inspector. Or OSHA. Or any other authority. Or any media. That's what whistleblowing is.
- Cougher 7y ago
  From Wiki: "Those who become whistleblowers can choose to bring information or allegations to surface either internally or externally. Internally, a whistleblower can bring his/her accusations to the attention of other people within the accused organization such as an immediate supervisor."
  - jaclaz 7y ago
    From Merriam-Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/legal/whistleblower https://www.merriam-webster.com/legal/whistleblower Legal Definition of whistleblower : an employee who brings wrongdoing by an employer or other employees to the attention of a government or law enforcement agency and who is commonly vested by statute with rights and remedies for retaliation That is the "legal" definition, but I understood also the "common" definition is such, otherwise any employee that reports to his/her superior/management anything that is not "right" or "legal" or "correct" would instantly become a whistleblower by the sheer fact of reporting that. So according to Wikipedia all internal inspectors, auditors, etc. in a company would be automatically "internal" whistleblowers.
- yabadabadoes 7y ago
  So an illegal alien should talk to non-immigration officials for the public good or should not? This isn't really a question for the individual, this is a question of government policy. The US decided to force other government institutions to help immigration and a hotel collapse that might have been prevented is not prevented.

by jspash 7y ago

masonic 7y ago

He claimed to have reported to his boss(es), but not to the building inspector. Or OSHA. Or any other authority. Or any media. That's what whistleblowing is.

Cougher 7y ago
From Wiki: "Those who become whistleblowers can choose to bring information or allegations to surface either internally or externally. Internally, a whistleblower can bring his/her accusations to the attention of other people within the accused organization such as an immediate supervisor."
- jaclaz 7y ago
  From Merriam-Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/legal/whistleblower https://www.merriam-webster.com/legal/whistleblower Legal Definition of whistleblower : an employee who brings wrongdoing by an employer or other employees to the attention of a government or law enforcement agency and who is commonly vested by statute with rights and remedies for retaliation That is the "legal" definition, but I understood also the "common" definition is such, otherwise any employee that reports to his/her superior/management anything that is not "right" or "legal" or "correct" would instantly become a whistleblower by the sheer fact of reporting that. So according to Wikipedia all internal inspectors, auditors, etc. in a company would be automatically "internal" whistleblowers.
yabadabadoes 7y ago
So an illegal alien should talk to non-immigration officials for the public good or should not? This isn't really a question for the individual, this is a question of government policy. The US decided to force other government institutions to help immigration and a hotel collapse that might have been prevented is not prevented.