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All this shows is why you should use high-anonymity and secure communications systems. Encrypt everything. Use alias for everything. The United States governmen

All this shows is why you should use high-anonymity and secure communications systems. Encrypt everything. Use alias for everything. The United States government or any other government is not your friend. They are a threat to your liberty and freedoms.

trentnix 7y ago
I agree, I don't trust the US government either. But there is some irony that Mr. Freedom took significant efforts to assist a dictator who denies all of his subjects liberty and freedom (and usually in brutal fashion). Good thing he didn't try to steal a propaganda poster while he was there.
- sodosopa 7y ago
  > Good thing he didn’t try to steal a propaganda poster while he was there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier Imagine what they do to their own citizens. Virgil Griffith apparently was ok doing business with a murderous dictator.
- ShorsHammer 7y ago
  Find it hard to believe that this particular person actively wanted to help DPRK leaders rather than the North Korean people on the whole. These issues tend to get caught up with handwavey dismissals built from the slim amount of information handed out to us from news soundbites. If you or I wanted to interact with a North Korean today, how would we go about that? How would we trade with them or send a donation? It's funny to see the difference in attitudes between how South Koreans view the north and how westerners view them. They are starkly different.
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    Its right here on the conference's webpage "The interest of participants to continue building bridges of friendship and collaboration with the DPR of Korea, as well as the exclusive environment of confidentiality and contacts with the highest government officials and engineers" What do you suppose that entails? Do you think in a state like North Korea is going to permit anyone North Korean except state officials into a conference like this, triply so with wording like that? https://nkcryptocon.com/ https://nkcryptocon.com/ We already know beyond a shadow of a doubt that North Korea is trading in crypto currency to fund their regime. https://bitcoinist.com/un-north-korea-accumulating-cryptocurrency-for-weapons-programs/ https://bitcoinist.com/un-north-korea-accumulating-cryptocur... https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/N-Korea-at-crossroads/North-Korea-stole-cryptocurrency-via-hacking-UN-panel https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/N-Korea-at-crossroads/Nort... This conference had absolutely nothing to do with enabling regular North Koreans to access cryptocurrency, they don't even have access to the internet to begin with.
    - ShorsHammer 7y ago
      > Do you think in a state like North Korea is going to permit anyone North Korean except state officials into a conference like this I wouldn't know, all I know about the country is from mainstream media. > is trading in crypto currency to fund their regime So why not do the same if that's our enemies are doing? Governments around the world are often some of the biggest wallet owners apart from exchanges due to confiscation. > they don't even have access to the internet to begin with NK Internet is weird, but non-nonexistent. How is one of the biggest nations on Earth who are implicated in hacking nearly everyone not connected to the internet? (do mean everyone, even their own friends) Are their hackers somehow not regular soldiers? Last I saw they aren't elites. Would be interested to hear some more wild allegations. It's messy but for fucks sake please learn something from the last 70 years of the cold war and see where it ends up everytime. People really need to step back and think about where these things lead. I would assert that the vast majority of North Koreans are good decent people. Do we really need another proxy war fought over ideologies?
      - throwaway2048 7y ago
        Repeating again, this conference had nothing to do with enabling the vast majority of North Koreans to use cryptocoins, it is very evident, even from the materials of the conference itself. The conference was about enabling the North Korean government to trade in cryptocurrency to evade sanctions, do you expect the American government to not take issue with that? As for the North Korean internet, government elites get access to the global internet, but everyone else gets access to a tightly controlled intranet. https://money.cnn.com/2014/12/22/technology/security/north-korean-internet/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2014/12/22/technology/security/north-k...
      - pcwalton 7y ago
        > I wouldn't know, all I know about the country is from mainstream media. It's not just "mainstream media" reporting that North Korea is a totalitarian regime. It's a universally-acknowledged fact.
        7y ago
- newguy1234 7y ago
  Yeah, I agree. It is ironic. Why help a government? Help people gain liberty and freedom from oppression.
rodgerd 7y ago
As opposed to the notable cuddly and freedom loving North Korean government.
philwelch 7y ago
To me it shows that you shouldn’t try and violate economic sanctions against countries like North Korea.

trentnix 7y ago

I agree, I don't trust the US government either. But there is some irony that Mr. Freedom took significant efforts to assist a dictator who denies all of his subjects liberty and freedom (and usually in brutal fashion). Good thing he didn't try to steal a propaganda poster while he was there.

sodosopa 7y ago
> Good thing he didn’t try to steal a propaganda poster while he was there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier Imagine what they do to their own citizens. Virgil Griffith apparently was ok doing business with a murderous dictator.
ShorsHammer 7y ago
Find it hard to believe that this particular person actively wanted to help DPRK leaders rather than the North Korean people on the whole. These issues tend to get caught up with handwavey dismissals built from the slim amount of information handed out to us from news soundbites. If you or I wanted to interact with a North Korean today, how would we go about that? How would we trade with them or send a donation? It's funny to see the difference in attitudes between how South Koreans view the north and how westerners view them. They are starkly different.
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  Its right here on the conference's webpage "The interest of participants to continue building bridges of friendship and collaboration with the DPR of Korea, as well as the exclusive environment of confidentiality and contacts with the highest government officials and engineers" What do you suppose that entails? Do you think in a state like North Korea is going to permit anyone North Korean except state officials into a conference like this, triply so with wording like that? https://nkcryptocon.com/ https://nkcryptocon.com/ We already know beyond a shadow of a doubt that North Korea is trading in crypto currency to fund their regime. https://bitcoinist.com/un-north-korea-accumulating-cryptocurrency-for-weapons-programs/ https://bitcoinist.com/un-north-korea-accumulating-cryptocur... https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/N-Korea-at-crossroads/North-Korea-stole-cryptocurrency-via-hacking-UN-panel https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/N-Korea-at-crossroads/Nort... This conference had absolutely nothing to do with enabling regular North Koreans to access cryptocurrency, they don't even have access to the internet to begin with.
  - ShorsHammer 7y ago
    > Do you think in a state like North Korea is going to permit anyone North Korean except state officials into a conference like this I wouldn't know, all I know about the country is from mainstream media. > is trading in crypto currency to fund their regime So why not do the same if that's our enemies are doing? Governments around the world are often some of the biggest wallet owners apart from exchanges due to confiscation. > they don't even have access to the internet to begin with NK Internet is weird, but non-nonexistent. How is one of the biggest nations on Earth who are implicated in hacking nearly everyone not connected to the internet? (do mean everyone, even their own friends) Are their hackers somehow not regular soldiers? Last I saw they aren't elites. Would be interested to hear some more wild allegations. It's messy but for fucks sake please learn something from the last 70 years of the cold war and see where it ends up everytime. People really need to step back and think about where these things lead. I would assert that the vast majority of North Koreans are good decent people. Do we really need another proxy war fought over ideologies?
    - throwaway2048 7y ago
      Repeating again, this conference had nothing to do with enabling the vast majority of North Koreans to use cryptocoins, it is very evident, even from the materials of the conference itself. The conference was about enabling the North Korean government to trade in cryptocurrency to evade sanctions, do you expect the American government to not take issue with that? As for the North Korean internet, government elites get access to the global internet, but everyone else gets access to a tightly controlled intranet. https://money.cnn.com/2014/12/22/technology/security/north-korean-internet/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2014/12/22/technology/security/north-k...
    - pcwalton 7y ago
      > I wouldn't know, all I know about the country is from mainstream media. It's not just "mainstream media" reporting that North Korea is a totalitarian regime. It's a universally-acknowledged fact.
      - 7y ago
newguy1234 7y ago
Yeah, I agree. It is ironic. Why help a government? Help people gain liberty and freedom from oppression.

rodgerd 7y ago

As opposed to the notable cuddly and freedom loving North Korean government.

philwelch 7y ago

To me it shows that you shouldn’t try and violate economic sanctions against countries like North Korea.