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I've done some pretty stupid shit carwise in my youth and lost a few licenses along the way. Perhaps extrapolate your statement out to other forms of justice m

I've done some pretty stupid shit carwise in my youth and lost a few licenses along the way. Perhaps extrapolate your statement out to other forms of justice meted out by society and ask if you'd say the same about those crimes? I'd certainly hope I could get a driving job today if worse came to worse. I did my time and certainly paid my dues. Technically it's been long enough that my crimes are wiped off the record and I can legally not mention them to workplaces/authorities. It's very easy to demand heavy lifetime justice for everyone you don't sympathise with, a lot harder to make it fair and equitable to the longterm benefit of a society. I honestly don't understand how the US treats their convicted criminals, it's basically a life sentence in many respects.

6nf 7y ago
I guess soon it wont matter. When robots take over most driving jobs...
tehwebguy 7y ago
You can drive drunk, get caught, get prosecuted and still get another chance. Just can’t do it twice, I think that’s fair.
- ShorsHammer 7y ago
  > Just can’t do it twice As in you can't ever drive again afterwards? I'm fairly honest here about my own failures in life, by this judgement do you think I should never be able to drive a car ever again? Most of my life has been living in places with absolutely no public transport, how exactly do I go to work as a middle aged person having being deemed unworthy of 60 years of no license because of being a young idiot once upon a time? Please go down this path and say what should happen
  - kaikai 7y ago
    Yes, it’s a hard place to be. Especially in rural areas, people use their cars to get around. That doesn’t mean that you have a right to drive, no matter the impacts on the people around you. If you’ve been convicted of drunk driving twice, you’ve already shown an ability to ignore the potentially deadly impacts of your actions on others. Being young doesn’t make those impacts any less severe for the victims.
  - icebraining 7y ago
    You can drive, you just can't drive professionally. Getting to work is not driving professionally.
  - tehwebguy 7y ago
    No, can't drive without an interlock device.
    - ShorsHammer 7y ago
      I think that's a fair compromise. But then again given physical access I do wonder about how many people have workarounds. Or like most things it prevents enough people to be effective enough. I bought a calibrated breathalyser because I simply can't afford to lose my Australian license, it's a really good investment, surprising how they aren't subsidised a little bit given the potential societal benefits.
  - jdkee 7y ago
    1. You could move to a place with decent public transportation. 2. You could use ride-sharing services. 3. You could bicycle. 4. You could walk. I am not trying to be snarky here, but absent living in rural environs, there are usually options for personal transport that do not require operating a motor vehicle. Again, it is a tradeoff society makes between personal liberties, i.e. the privilege to drive versus public safety. And different jurisdictions may have differing standards on where that line is drawn.
  - paggle 7y ago
    Yes, I think society is too easy on people in general and yes, if you drive drunk or while texting once, you should lose your license for a year and get 14 days in jail, do it twice and lose your license for 10 years and 6 months in jail, kill someone drunk or texting and get life in prison without the possibility of parole.

6nf 7y ago

I guess soon it wont matter. When robots take over most driving jobs...

tehwebguy 7y ago

You can drive drunk, get caught, get prosecuted and still get another chance. Just can’t do it twice, I think that’s fair.

ShorsHammer 7y ago
> Just can’t do it twice As in you can't ever drive again afterwards? I'm fairly honest here about my own failures in life, by this judgement do you think I should never be able to drive a car ever again? Most of my life has been living in places with absolutely no public transport, how exactly do I go to work as a middle aged person having being deemed unworthy of 60 years of no license because of being a young idiot once upon a time? Please go down this path and say what should happen
- kaikai 7y ago
  Yes, it’s a hard place to be. Especially in rural areas, people use their cars to get around. That doesn’t mean that you have a right to drive, no matter the impacts on the people around you. If you’ve been convicted of drunk driving twice, you’ve already shown an ability to ignore the potentially deadly impacts of your actions on others. Being young doesn’t make those impacts any less severe for the victims.
- icebraining 7y ago
  You can drive, you just can't drive professionally. Getting to work is not driving professionally.
- tehwebguy 7y ago
  No, can't drive without an interlock device.
  - ShorsHammer 7y ago
    I think that's a fair compromise. But then again given physical access I do wonder about how many people have workarounds. Or like most things it prevents enough people to be effective enough. I bought a calibrated breathalyser because I simply can't afford to lose my Australian license, it's a really good investment, surprising how they aren't subsidised a little bit given the potential societal benefits.
- jdkee 7y ago
  1. You could move to a place with decent public transportation. 2. You could use ride-sharing services. 3. You could bicycle. 4. You could walk. I am not trying to be snarky here, but absent living in rural environs, there are usually options for personal transport that do not require operating a motor vehicle. Again, it is a tradeoff society makes between personal liberties, i.e. the privilege to drive versus public safety. And different jurisdictions may have differing standards on where that line is drawn.
- paggle 7y ago
  Yes, I think society is too easy on people in general and yes, if you drive drunk or while texting once, you should lose your license for a year and get 14 days in jail, do it twice and lose your license for 10 years and 6 months in jail, kill someone drunk or texting and get life in prison without the possibility of parole.